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CONTRACTORS EXAMINING BOARD
AGENDA
ST. LUCIE COUNTY
Regular Meeting
Wednesday, September 20, 2023
8:30 AM
St. Lucie County Administration Annex
Board of County Commissioners
Commission Chambers
BOARD MEMBERS
James “Travis” Leonard (Chair) Tony Jerger (Vice Chair)
Michael DiFrancesco (Secretary) Adam Sampson
Chris Langel Michael Pride
Sheila McCarthy-Taylor
Gary Morris
Michael Kauffmann Jr.
Roger Priest
BOARD ATTORNEY
Richard V. Neill Jr.
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A. CALL TO ORDER
B. ROLL CALL OF CONTRACTOR EXAMINING BOARD MEMBERS
C. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF: July 19, 2023 Contractor Licensing Board Minutes
D. SWEAR IN STAFF MEMBERS
E. PUBLIC COMMENT
F. APPLICATIONS TO BE APPROVED
G. WAIVER OF RIGHTS TO A HEARING OR FAILURE TO PAY OR APPEAL THE CITATION
H. DISCIPLINARY CASE
I. OLD BUSINESS
J. NEW BUSINESS
K. ADJOURNMENT
NOTE: THE NEXT CONTRACTOR EXAMINING BOARD HEARING WILL BE HELD ON November 15, 2023 IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS OF THE ROGER POITRAS ANNEX AT 8:30 A.M.
NOTICE: All proceedings before the St. Lucie County Contractor Examining Board, St. Lucie County, Florida, are electronically recorded. Any person who decides to appeal any action taken by the Contractor Examining Board, at this meeting, will need a record of the proceedings, and for such purpose may need to assure that a verbatim record of the proceedings is made.
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G. THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY CONSENT:
Qualifier Business Name Type of Contractor Testing
Agency
Cameron Elwood N/A Journeyman Electrician Prov
Constant Dwayne C.
Sprenger
DSV Fence Solutions LLC Fence Contractor Prov
Aleksandr Losev N/A Journeyman Electrician Prov
Steven R. Adcock Advent AC LLC Class B Air Conditioning
Contractor
Prov
Christopher Camello Camello Electric LLC Electrical Contractor Prov
Edmond R. Senez Ed Senez Aluminum Specialist
Inc.
Aluminum With Concrete
Contractor
Block &
Associates
THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR
APPROVAL BY RECIPROCITY:
THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS WERE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BASED ON RECIPROCITY FROM THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE OR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE (Names to be read into record): Qualifier Business Name Type of Contractor
Oscar A. Mendoza Sr. Oscar’s Fence Inc. Fence Contractor
James Welch Welch Plastering Inc. Plaster & Stucco Contractor
Qualifier Business Name Type of Contractor
None.
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THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR REVIEW BY THE BOARD:
Qualifier Business Name Type of Contractor
Juan Torres Santiago N/A Journeyman Electrician
Matthew Burns M. Burns LLC dba Blue Wave
Home Services
Plumbing Contractor
H. WAIVER OF RIGHT TO A HEARING FOR FAILURE TO PAY OR APPEAL THE
CITATION: 1)
Against: Roderick Waller and/or Sunrise City Community Housing
Development Organization Inc.
Locations: 507 Ulrich Rd., Fort Pierce, FL 34982
Violation:
(9) Proceed on any job without first obtaining applicable local building permits and inspections, or perform of any work for which a building permit is required without such building
permit being current.
Case No. 2305-110672
Investigator: Danielle Williams
Recommendation:
$1000.00 citation (2nd offence) to be paid within thirty (30)
days of the date of this board meeting and authorize staff to
place a lien against the contractor if not paid within thirty (30) days.
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WAIVER OF RIGHT TO A HEARING FOR FAILURE TO PAY OR APPEAL THE
CITATION: 2)
Against: William Ash and/or Ash Empire LLC
Locations: 3121 Old Edwards Rd., Fort Pierce, FL 34982
Violation: (6) Engage in the business or act of the capacity of a
contractor without being duly registered or certified.
Case No. 2303-110149
Investigator: Danielle Williams
Recommendation: $500.00 citation (1st offence) to be paid within thirty (30) days of the date of this board meeting and authorize staff to place a
lien against the contractor if not paid within thirty (30) days.
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I. DISCIPLINARY CASE: 1)
AGAINST:
Florida Window and Door Scott Berman State License # CGC1509450 County Cert # 28576 Location of violation: 8722 Lonesome Pine Trl., Fort Pierce, FL 34982
Complaint filed by: Alfred Ross, owner of property located at 8722 Lonesome Pine Trl., Fort Pierce, FL 34982
Case No. 2303-0000033
Investigator: Danielle Williams
First Notification to the Company: March 17, 2023
Follow-ups:
Violation:
SLC CCL 10-26: - Prohibited activities: Sub Section: (9) Commit any fraudulent act as a contractor as a result of which another is financially injured. (12) Commence or perform work for which a county building permit is required without obtaining the appropriate permit. SLC CCL 10-67: - Revocation or suspension of Certificate of Competency: Sub Section: (3) Disregards and violates an applicable state or local building code, regulation or law. (9) Proceed on any job without first obtaining applicable local building permits and inspections, or perform of any work for which a building permit is required without such building permit being current.
Staff Recommendation:
• To revoke the permitting privileges for Scott Berman and/or Florida Window and Door for a term not to exceed three hundred and sixty-five (365) days for new permits only.
• After the revocation period, a written request must be made to the Board to reinstate Scott Berman and/or Florida Window and Door permitting privileges.
• A copy of the Board’s order will be forwarded to the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR) and the surrounding municipalities.
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I. OLD BUSINESS: None. J. NEW BUSINESS: None.
K. ADJOURNMENT
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CONTRACTORS EXAMINING BOARD
Wednesday, July 19, 2023
TIME: 8:30 A.M. to 11:30 A.M.
PLACE: Commission Chambers of the Roger Poitras Annex
2300 Virginia Avenue
Fort Pierce, FL 34982
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
James "Travis" Leonard (Chair)
Michael DiFrancesco (Secretary)
Sheila McCarthy-Taylor
Gary Morris
Tony Jerger
Adam Sampson
Michael Pride
Roger Priest (Vice Chair)
COURT REPORTERS, INC.
108 North Depot Drive
Fort Pierce, FL 34950
info@court-reporters.com
772-464-2664
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 ---
3 THE CHAIR: July 19, 2023, Contractors
4 Licensing Board meeting to order.
5 Madam Secretary, will you please call the
6 roll.
7 MS. JOHNSON: Good morning, everyone.
8 Mrs. Taylor is not here yet.
9 Mr. Sampson.
10 MR. SAMPSON: Present.
11 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco.
12 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
13 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger.
14 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
15 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Langel was excused.
16 Mr. Leonard.
17 MR. LEONARD: Hear, ma'am.
18 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride.
19 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
21 MR. PRIEST: Yes, ma'am.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris.
23 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Kauffmann was excused.
25 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Madam Secretary.
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1 I'm sure everybody had an opportunity to read
2 through the minutes. Two pages of 795 we've had in
3 this month's packet.
4 Do I have a motion to approve the minutes?
5 MR. PRIDE: Motion to approve.
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Second.
7 THE CHAIR: Motion to approve by Mr. Pride.
8 Seconded by Mr. DiFrancesco. Any discussion or any
9 corrections?
10 Hearing none all in favor?
11 THE BOARD: (Approved.)
12 THE CHAIR: Any opposed.
13 (No response.)
14 Madam Secretary, would you please swear in the
15 Staff members.
16 MS. JOHNSON: Please state your name for the
17 record.
18 MR. HARVEY: Doug Harvey.
19 MS. WATERS: Alphanette Waters.
20 MS. WILLIAMS: Danielle Williams.
21 MR. CICIO: Mike Cicio.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
23 the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
24 THE STAFF: (Indicating.)
25 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
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1 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Madam Secretary.
2 Now, this portion of this meeting we reserve
3 for public comment. I would like to say public
4 comment is absolutely welcome. If you took the
5 time out of your day to come here, you have
6 3 minutes to discuss anything you would like to
7 bring in front of the Board; however, if your item
8 is -- you personally are not on the agenda, the
9 Board cannot take any comment that you have with
10 respect to anybody that is on the agenda.
11 So I would like the Board to recognize that.
12 So if we have public comment from people that are
13 not on the agenda, the Board cannot take anything
14 that they say with respect to anything that is on
15 the agenda.
16 So if there's anybody that would like to come
17 up at this time, please come up to the podium. You
18 have 3 minutes to talk about anything you would
19 like to say.
20 MS. STEPONGZI: I'm probably loud enough that
21 I don't need the podium. I've always been told
22 that I have a voice that carries. So if I have
23 something to say about one of the items that's on
24 the docket but I'm not one of the people on that,
25 is -- can I talk now or --
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1 THE CHAIR: Yes, ma'am. You have 3 minutes.
2 You can talk about anything you'd like.
3 MS. STEPONGZI: I'm going to read it, because
4 I'm a little nervous.
5 THE CHAIR: Does she have to be sworn in?
6 MS. JOHNSON: I have to swear you in first?
7 State your name --
8 MS. STEPONGZI: Yes, ma'am.
9 MS. JOHNSON: You can stay there.
10 THE CHAIR: You can stay right there by the
11 podium and just speak into the mic.
12 MS. STEPONGZI: Brenda Baldree Stepongzi.
13 MS. JOHNSON: Brenda. What's the last name?
14 MS. STEPONGZI: Stepongzi, S-T-E-P-O-N-G-Z-I.
15 MS. JOHNSON: Okay. What's your address?
16 MS. STEPONGZI: 4359 Gator Trace Circle,
17 Fort Pierce.
18 MS. JOHNSON: Raise your right hand. Do you
19 affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
20 nothing but the truth?
21 MS. STEPONGZI: I do.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
23 THE CHAIR: Good morning.
24 MS. STEPONGZI: Good morning. I am nervous
25 so -- I tend to laugh when I'm nervous so --
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1 THE CHAIR: That's okay.
2 MS. STEPONGZI: -- if I start laughing just
3 say get off the -- okay. As you just heard, I'm
4 Brenda Baldree Stepongzi, and I had a house built
5 by Port St. Lucie Properties, again, in
6 Fort Pierce. The house was due to be delivered
7 last year in August, it got delivered in April of
8 this year. During that gap, we started looking for
9 other people that were like us, you know, are you
10 having the same kind of problems that we're having,
11 because we were in Jacksonville. We were commuting
12 down here at least weekly. And so we happened on a
13 couple of people just by putting a note out on
14 Facebook and then we started look around, and long
15 story short, we -- we found a lot of people. And
16 so we started a Facebook group called Victims
17 Support St. Lucie. We currently have 85 members.
18 Most of whom have houses that are not complete at
19 this point.
20 So I just wanted to stay -- state that we,
21 actually, were one of the lucky ones. We got our
22 house done. There are several other that have
23 gotten their houses done. And it is complete
24 although we have a lien against which, you know, is
25 not good because we have an affidavit that said
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1 that all the subs were paid. So -- and most of the
2 houses that are finished are having some kind of
3 quality issues.
4 So -- so when -- when we started this, you
5 know, we didn't expect to get that many people, but
6 now we have 85 members and I just wanted to let you
7 know that currently that there's over $2 million
8 worth of liens on 87 properties. And there's a lot
9 of people that are not here today that are out,
10 like, $100,000 due to this.
11 So I just wanted to make sure that you guy
12 take into consideration that there's a lot of
13 people that you're not seeing because they were
14 afraid to come forward. A lot of them were afraid
15 if they did come forward he wouldn't finish their
16 house. He hasn't done it anyhow so, you know, they
17 were really afraid for nothing. So, you know,
18 we just -- we just want to make sure that this is
19 just the first step in, you know, establishing and
20 getting the issues resolved that -- that have
21 happened for Port St. Lucie properties, and we want
22 to make sure, too, that if there's any
23 commissioners from any counties north of here that
24 they're aware that they are starting another
25 contracting firm in Brevard County. I don't have
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1 the particulars. One of the other people that --
2 that did spill (sic) out the form -- I'm done.
3 THE CHAIR: Thank ma'am. Thank you for being
4 here. I appreciate that.
5 MS. STEPONGZI: I got -- I got pretty
6 much done.
7 THE CHAIR: Thank you. If there's anybody
8 else that would like to come at this time, now is
9 the time to do so.
10 Good morning, sir. If you would start your
11 name and address for the record and be sworn in.
12 My name is Rob Noon. I'm -- I live at
13 3562 SW Dellamano Avenue, Port St. Lucie.
14 MS. JOHNSON: Can you spell your last name,
15 sir?
16 MR. NOON: N-O-O-N.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Okay. Raise your right hand.
18 Do you affirm to tell the truth, the whole
19 truth, and nothing but the truth?
20 MR. NOON: Yes, ma'am.
21 MR. CICIO: Mr. Chair, Mike Cicio, licensing
22 investigator. Mr. Noon, do I have a case with you
23 today? Do we have a case proceeding forward?
24 MR. NOON: I have no idea.
25 MR. CICIO: You and Tiffany Noon?
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1 MR. NOON: Yes.
2 MR. CICIO: Okay. You cannot speak during
3 public comment. You have a case --
4 THE CHAIR: We will provide you ample time
5 later.
6 MR. NEILL, JR.: Well, actually, he can speak
7 during public comment if he wants to, but he
8 will -- because he's involved in one of the cases,
9 he will have a chance to speak during the case.
10 MR. NOON: Okay. That's fine. I don't know.
11 THE CHAIR: That's okay. That's why we have
12 attorneys here to make sure we -- we do everything
13 above reproach. So if there's anybody else in the
14 audience that does not have their case on the
15 agenda today, that would like to come up here and
16 talk at this moment in time.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Good morning. State your name.
18 MR. DINSMORE: My name is Daniel Ronnie
19 Dinsmore. Address is 6106 Sunset Boulevard, and
20 then the address that I'm here to talk about today
21 is 1625 Easy Street.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
23 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
24 MR. DINSMORE: Yes.
25 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
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1 MS. BARBIERI: Mr. Leonard, this is the same
2 thing. He's welcome to talk now, but he does have
3 a case later on so --
4 MR. DINSMORE: Okay. I didn't know if I did
5 or not so I'll talk later on.
6 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Thank you,
7 Ms. Barbieri.
8 Is there anybody else that would like to come
9 up that doesn't have a case?
10 MR. CALIXTE: Good morning.
11 THE CHAIR: Good morning, sir.
12 MR. CALIXTE: My name is Abraham Calixte, and
13 my address is 1270 SW Bargello Avenue, which is the
14 project we tried to build, and my official address
15 is 3558 SW Conibear Street.
16 MS. JOHNSON: 3558.
17 MR. CALIXTE: 3358 SW Conibear Street.
18 MS. JOHNSON: And what's your last name?
19 MR. CALIXTE: Calixte.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Can you spell it?
21 MR. CALIXTE: C-A-L-I-X-T-E.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Okay. Raise your right hand.
23 Do you affirm to tell the truth, the whole
24 truth, and nothing but the truth?
25 MR. CALIXTE: Yes, ma'am.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
2 THE CHAIR: Good morning, sir. If you could
3 just speak into the mic so we can all hear you,
4 that would be great. Thank you.
5 MR. CALIXTE: This is regarding Port St. Lucie
6 Property, and in 2022, we signed the contract with
7 PSL Property to build our property. From that
8 moment on, it's been up and down. All we get is
9 nothing but lies. We've been deceived. Every time
10 I send an email to -- to the owner, I get a
11 response, which is it doesn't cover what he's --
12 what he's saying is not what he delivered. Right
13 now my house is still standing, not finished. The
14 last job he did was a tile job and that was -- that
15 stopped right there. I emailed him yesterday, the
16 same thing, never respond back. We have to hire
17 and attorney. And you know the cost of an attorney
18 is a lot of money. And we are suffering at this
19 point. To be honest, I just fire him so I can move
20 on. This man has tried to destroy a lot of
21 people's life. My life is basically in limbo right
22 now. My family life is in limbo. My wife is
23 suffering. My kids are suffering. I'm suffering.
24 I don't normally cry, but this is very hurtful.
25 Very, very hurtful. I've done everything in my
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1 power. Everything to make things goes right, and
2 this man continues to make things goes wrong.
3 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Anybody else in the
4 audience like to come up during this portion of
5 public comment.
6 Seeing none we will close the portion of
7 public comment.
8 Up next on the agenda is the applications for
9 approval by consent. Do we have a motion to
10 approve?
11 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I approve.
12 THE CHAIR: Motion by Mr. DiFrancesco. Second
13 by.
14 MR. MORRIS: Me.
15 THE CHAIR: Mr. Morris. Any discussion?
16 (No response.)
17 All in favor?
18 THE BOARD: (Indicated in the affirmative.)
19 THE CHAIR: All opposed?
20 (No response.)
21 Madam Secretary, please.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Jorge Colin, Jr. doing business
23 as Jorge Colin Concrete, LLC, concrete contractor.
24 William DePatie doing business as Warspeed
25 Electrical Services, LLC, electrical contractor.
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1 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Madam Secretary.
2 Seeing none by approval by reciprocity we move on
3 to approve by administratively. Can you please
4 call them into the roll.
5 MS. JOHNSON: William D. Strickland doing
6 business as Clean & Seal Pros, LLC, concrete
7 contractor.
8 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Madam Secretary.
9 Next up is the following to be reviewed by the
10 Board. We have Mr. Elwood up first.
11 Is Mr. Elwood here?
12 Mr. Elwood, would like to come up. Be sworn
13 in and state your name and address for the record.
14 MR. ELWOOD: It is Cameron Elwood. I live at
15 6447 NW Foxglove Street in Port St. Lucie.
16 THE CHAIR: I don't think it's working either.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
18 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
19 MR. ELWOOD: Yes.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
21 THE CHAIR: Mr. Elwood, give me one second.
22 Can you talk into the mic a little bit and see if
23 it's working?
24 MR. ELWOOD: Hello, hello, hello.
25 THE CHAIR: There we go. You might just want
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1 to pull it down a little bit closer to you. Some
2 people on the Board a little -- a little older. I
3 love them to death, I promise.
4 Mr. Elwood, thank you for being here today.
5 MR. ELWOOD: Thank you.
6 THE CHAIR: I appreciate. So you come to us
7 for a license?
8 MR. ELWOOD: Yes, that is correct. My
9 electrical journeyman's license.
10 THE CHAIR: Okay.
11 MR. ELWOOD: I've been working for the City of
12 Port St. Lucie for -- coming up on 8 years now.
13 Just about five of which have been in the
14 electrical department. We -- the process for us to
15 become journeymen is a little different considering
16 that we don't have an actual contractor to sign off
17 on our experience, but I have provided my
18 certificates of showing that I completed
19 apprenticeship through IRSC and also through the
20 State. I have three letters of recommendations
21 from people within my company.
22 THE CHAIR: I've had a great opportunity to
23 review your entire packet. I have no questions for
24 you, Mr. Elwood. I appreciate you being here.
25 Does anybody on the Board have any questions
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1 for Mr. Elwood? If not, we'll entertain a motion.
2 MR. PRIDE: Motion to approve.
3 MR. JERGER: I'll second.
4 THE CHAIR: Motion to approve by Mr. Pride,
5 second by Mr. Jerger. All in favor?
6 THE BOARD: (Indicated in the affirmative.)
7 THE CHAIR: Any opposed?
8 (No response.)
9 Congratulations, Mr. Elwood.
10 MR. ELWOOD: Thank you very much.
11 THE CHAIR: Thank you for being here.
12 Up next we have Mr. Clyde Walton, Jr. Is Mr.
13 Clyde Walton, Jr. here?
14 Mr. Walton, good morning.
15 MR. WALTON: Good morning.
16 THE CHAIR: It's working. You just got to get
17 close to it.
18 Would you state your name and address for the
19 record to be sworn in?
20 MR. WALTON: Clyde E. Walton, Jr. I currently
21 live in the Riviera Beach area, but looking to
22 relocate to Port St. Lucie.
23 MS. JOHNSON: What's your address?
24 MR. WALTON: 510 W. 35th Street, Riviera
25 Beach, 33404.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Raise your right hand?
2 Do you affirm to tell the truth, the whole
3 truth, and nothing but the truth?
4 MR. WALTON: Absolutely. Yes.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Okay.
6 THE CHAIR: Mr. Walton, good morning, sir.
7 MR. WALTON: Good morning.
8 THE CHAIR: Thank you for being here.
9 MR. WALTON: Good morning. Good morning. I
10 am here applying to take your Master's Examination.
11 I have actually been in the union going on 30
12 years -- 23 years now. I've just done a stent down
13 at your Port St. Lucie Nuclear plants and I've been
14 dealing with code classes, code enforcement,
15 instrumentation calibrations all over the place so
16 I'm just here applying for your Master's
17 Examination. I am licensed in West Virginia,
18 Florida; Orange County, Florida; Palm Beach County,
19 Florida; and I have another one somewhere. Could
20 be Delaware.
21 THE CHAIR: There's a lot of packets that get
22 in front of us. This one is pretty impressive.
23 Does anybody on the Board have any questions
24 for Mr. Walton? If not, we'll entertain a motion.
25 MR. PRIDE: Motion to approve.
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1 THE CHAIR: Motion by Mr. Pride.
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Second.
3 THE CHAIR: Second by Mr. DiFrancesco. All in
4 favor?
5 THE BOARD: (Indicated in the affirmative.)
6 THE CHAIR: Any opposed?
7 (No response.)
8 Congratulations, Mr. Walton.
9 MR. WALTON: Thank you, guys.
10 THE CHAIR: Thank you, sir.
11 MR. WALTON: Thank you. Thank you.
12 THE CHAIR: Up next we have Mr. Juan Santiago.
13 Is Mr. Santiago present?
14 Mr. Santiago, let the record show, is not
15 present. We have reviewed his packet.
16 I have no questions of Staff. Does anybody
17 have any questions of Staff?
18 I think this is my first time ever trying to
19 provide somebody a license that is now here. I
20 don't see that very often.
21 Mr. Neill, any challenges with reviewing the
22 packet based on the information that we have in
23 front of us.
24 MR. NEILL, JR.: No. I don't think there's
25 any reason you can't -- cannot make a decision just
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1 based on the packet. I don't think he has to be
2 here.
3 THE CHAIR: Well, then it's disappointing that
4 he's not here.
5 MR. NEILL, JR.: Well, things happen. I'm
6 assuming something happened or he would be.
7 THE CHAIR: Did Staff receive any phone calls
8 from Mr. Santiago.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Well, I told him that he had to
10 be present, so, no, I don't -- he probably called.
11 I'm not there not but -- I don't know.
12 THE CHAIR: Can we table this until I talk to
13 Mr. Santiago.
14 MR. NEILL, JR.: I think yes you could. And
15 that I -- sounds appropriate. So maybe a motion
16 from someone to table until he's able to come to a
17 meeting.
18 THE CHAIR: Yeah, whatever the Board's
19 decision is.
20 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I make a motion to table
21 Mr. Santiago's review until the next Board.
22 MR. MORRIS: Second. Second.
23 THE CHAIR: We have a motion by
24 Mr. DiFrancesco. Second by Mr. Morris.
25 All in favor?
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1 THE BOARD: (Indicated in the affirmative.)
2 THE CHAIR: Any opposed?
3 (No response.)
4 Motion carries. Thank you.
5 Moving on to our disciplinary case. I
6 apologize.
7 Waiver of rights to a hearing for failure to
8 pay or appeal the citation on G.
9 MS. WILLIAMS: One and two of the citation,
10 They have baby. They have paid.
11 THE CHAIR: Oh, fantastic. Good. Love it
12 when that happens. Do we have a three on G,
13 because some of my paperwork kind of got screwed up
14 here?
15 MS. WILLIAMS: Port St. Lucie Properties is
16 first.
17 THE CHAIR: Port St. Lucie Properties is
18 first?
19 MS. WILLIAMS: Yes. Disciplinary hearing.
20 THE CHAIR: Oh, fantastic.
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Did you say both of them got
22 paid.
23 THE CHAIR: Yeah, both the -- both got paid.
24 Yeah. Disciplinary case one.
25 Mr. Cicio.
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1 MR. CICIO: Good morning, Mr. Chair, Members
2 of the Board. I do have four cases on Port St.
3 Lucie Properties, and I'll leave it at the Board's
4 discretion if you want me to read those back to
5 back or if you want me to do them individually per
6 case.
7 THE CHAIR: I would prefer them back to back,
8 whatever the Board's decision would be.
9 MR. PRIDE: Back to back's fine.
10 MR. NEILL, JR.: And Mr. Leonard, before we
11 get underway, I need to disclose that my law
12 partner has represented Mr. Montalto. Not on any
13 of these matters or related matters and actually is
14 building a house with him. There's -- I don't have
15 any conflict. I don't have any feelings on these
16 matters one way or the other, and I gather that
17 Mr. Montalto doesn't have any objection to my
18 proceeding with the representation of you during
19 this hearing, and I wanted to put that on the table
20 and make sure it was known, and if there is an
21 issue in anyone's mind, we can address it. I don't
22 think -- I've, you know, told Ms. Barbieri, and I
23 don't think anyone has a problem with it, but I
24 think you all needed to know.
25 THE CHAIR: Thank you Mr. Neill. I appreciate
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1 it. I personally don't have any -- any challenges
2 with that. Now, if you were having a house built
3 by him, it might be a little bit different but --
4 that's my take on it. Does anybody on the Board
5 have any questions for Mr. Neill with respect to
6 his comment about his partner.
7 MS. BARBIERI: And Mr. Chairman, Assistant
8 County Attorney Katherine Barbieri. For Staff, we
9 wanted to put on the record that we have no
10 objection either.
11 THE CHAIR: Awesome. Thank you, Ms. Barbieri.
12 I appreciate that.
13 MS. BARBIERI: He had disclosed it earlier to
14 us.
15 THE CHAIR: Fantastic. Thank you.
16 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir.
17 THE CHAIR: Yes, sir.
18 MR. CICIO: For the record, I'm going to be
19 reading Case Code 2303-0000034. The address of
20 11850 Twin Creeks Drive in Fort Pierce.
21 For the record, I'm submitting the following
22 documents as evidence: I'm submitting a copy of a
23 Complaint Affidavit filed by property owner
24 Tiffany Noon on March 7th of 2023, including a
25 contract, addendums, draw forms, and a copy of a
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1 $1,000 deposit, Check No. 3964 from the personal
2 bank account of Robert and Tiffany Noon dated
3 April 26th of 2021. I'm submitting a copy of the
4 Building Permit Application for a new residential
5 home build. Permit No. 2109-0654. Applied for on
6 September 28th of 2021. Notice of Commencement
7 recorded on August 12th of 2021 with the St. County
8 Clerk of Court. Permit card for the permit issued
9 on June 23rd of 2021 and a complete inspection
10 report. I'm submitting a copy of a Notice to
11 Appear for the July 19th, 2023 Contractors
12 Licensing Board meeting, which was mailed via
13 certified mail, which does remain undelivered,
14 along with a copy of a Notice to Appear for the
15 July 19th, 2023 Contractors Licensing Board meeting
16 that was posted at the business address of
17 2690 SW Edgarce Street in Port St. Lucie, which is
18 the new business location for Port St. Lucie
19 Properties, Inc. I'm submitting a copy of a Claim
20 of a Lien recorded on May 10th of 2023 for the
21 amount of $1,737 from the business of Davidson
22 Insulation & Acoustics, Inc. I'm submitting a copy
23 of David -- Division of Corporation's information
24 showing that Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. is an
25 active business with the effective date of
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1 September 2nd of 1982. The corporate officer is
2 listed to be Mark Montalto. I'm also submitting a
3 copy of a license detail from the Florida
4 Department of Business and Professional Regulation
5 showing that Mark M. Montalto, Sr. is a state
6 licensed certified building contractor,
7 License No. CBC1263072, effective date of
8 April 22nd of 2019, along with Workers'
9 Compensation Information. I'm submitting one photo
10 taken by code officer -- I'm sorry, code supervisor
11 Danielle Williams on July 18th of 2023 at the
12 property address of 11850 Twin Creeks Drive in Fort
13 Pierce.
14 On March 7th of 2023, a Complaint Affidavit
15 was filed by Ms. Tiffany Noon against
16 Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. and Mark M.
17 Montalto, Sr. for new construction performed at the
18 address of 11850 Twin Creeks Drive in Fort Pierce.
19 Mr. Montalto was notified of this complaint on
20 June 6th of 2023 during an in-person meeting within
21 the Building Department and a copy of the
22 Complaint Affidavit along with supporting
23 documentation was provided to him. The basis on
24 this complaint was for slow construction in which
25 the property owners stated that they were 21 months
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1 into a project without closing date determined.
2 The property owner stated that this -- that they
3 had to ask for multiple extensions on their loan
4 and refinance costing additional closing costs and
5 fees in addition to other expenses.
6 After commencing my investigation, I found the
7 permit on file. Building Residential Permit
8 2109-0654 was issued on June 23rd of 2022. And the
9 last inspection being an insulation inspection
10 performed on February 16th of 2023.
11 On May 17th of 2023, I received an email from
12 Mrs. Noon advising that she had retained an
13 attorney. A search of the St. Lucie County Clerk
14 of Court website revealed that a lien in the amount
15 of $1,737 was recorded from Davidson Insulation &
16 Acoustic on May 10th of 2023. The lien has not
17 been satisfied within 30 days per St. Lucie County
18 ordinance; therefore, it was found that
19 Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc., Mark M. Montalto,
20 Sr. violated under Section 10-67 (19) St. Lucie
21 County Code. Committing mismanagement or
22 misconduct in the practice of contracting that
23 causes financial harm to a customer. Financial
24 mismanagement or misconduct includes but is not
25 limited to any of the following: Under section
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1 (a)(1) valid liens have been recorded against the
2 property of a contractor's customer for supplies or
3 services ordered by the contractor for the
4 customer's job; the contractor has received funds
5 from the customer to pay for the supplies or
6 services; and the contractor has not had the liens
7 removed from the property, by payment or by bond,
8 within 30 days after such liens have been filed.
9 To reiterate, Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc.
10 Mark M. Montalto, Sr. is a state licensed building
11 contractor. License No. CBC1263072, which was
12 effective on April 22nd of 2019. Mr. Montalto does
13 currently possess an active license through the
14 Florida Department of Business and Professional
15 Regulation, as well as a County certification,
16 Certification No. 31229 [verbatim], which became
17 effective on May 19th of 2019.
18 Based on the facts of this case, Staff is
19 recommending to the Board to, Number 1, suspend the
20 permitting privileges for Mark M. Montalto, Sr.,
21 Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. for a period not to
22 exceed a period of 365 days. Require that a
23 written request be made to the Board to reinstate
24 Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. or Mr. Mark
25 Montalto permitting privileges after one year
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1 suspension. The suspension will not include
2 currently issued permits. Staff also recommends to
3 the Board to forward a copy of the Board's order to
4 the Florida Department of Business and Professional
5 Regulation, DBPR, and the surrounding
6 municipalities.
7 Reading into the record Case No. Code
8 2305-0000040 for 1625 Easy Street in Fort Pierce.
9 For the record, I'm submitting the following
10 documents as evidence. I'm submitting a copy of a
11 Complaint Affidavit filed by property owner
12 Daniel Dinsmore on May 30th of 2023, including a
13 contract, addendums, proposal, closing disclosure
14 from the lender of Goldwater Bank. I'm submitting
15 a copy of the building permit application for a new
16 residential home build under Permit No. 2112-0542,
17 applied for on December 21st of 2021. Notice of
18 Commencement recorded on November 11th of 2021 with
19 the St. Lucie County Clerk of Court. Permit card
20 for the permit issued on April 21st of 2022 and a
21 complete inspection report. I'm submitting a copy
22 of Notice to Appear for the July 19th, 2023
23 Contractor Licensing Boarding -- Board meeting,
24 which remain undelivered, along with a copy of a
25 Notice to Appear for the July 19th, 2023 Contractor
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1 Licensing Board meeting that was posted at the
2 business address of 2690 SW Edgarce Street in
3 Port St. Lucie, which is the new business address
4 and location for Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc.
5 I'm submitting a copy of a Claim of Lien recorded
6 on May 12th of 2023 for the amount of $4,513.36
7 from the business of Coastal Building Contractors,
8 LLC. I'm also submitting a second Claim of Lien
9 filed on Jun 14th of 2023 in the amount of $15,967
10 from the business of Cabinet Connection of the
11 Treasure Coast, Inc. I'm submitting a Change of
12 Contractor Form for Permit No. 2112-0542 submitted
13 on June 15th of 2023. The permit is now recorded
14 to be an owner/builder permit. I'm submitting a
15 copy of Division of Corporation's information
16 showing that Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. is an
17 active business with the effective date of
18 September 2nd of 1982. The corporate officer is
19 listed to be Mark Montalto. I'm also submitting a
20 copy of licensed details from the Florida
21 Department of Business and Professional Regulations
22 showing that Mark M. Montalto, Sr. is a State
23 licensed certified building contractor, License
24 No. CBC1263072, effective date of April 22nd of
25 2019, along with Workers' Compensation information.
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1 I'm submitting one photo taken by code supervisor
2 Danielle Williams on July 18th of 2023 at the
3 property address of 1625 Easy Street in Fort
4 Pierce. On May 20th of 2023 a Complaint Affidavit
5 was filed by Mr. Dinsmore against Port St. Lucie
6 Properties, Inc., Mark M. Montalto, Sr. for new
7 construction performed at the address of 1625 Easy
8 Street in Fort Pierce. Mr. Montalto was notified
9 of this complaint on June 6th of 2023 during an
10 in-person meeting within the Building Department
11 and a copy of the Complaint Affidavit along with
12 supporting documentation was provided to him.
13 The basis for this complaint was slow
14 construction in which the property owner stated
15 that they were 21 months into a project without a
16 closing date determined. The property owner stated
17 that they had to -- that they have had independent
18 inspections performed, which resulted in findings
19 of mold to a regular concrete settling. After
20 commencing my investigation, I found the permit on
21 file, building residential Permit No. 2112-0542 was
22 issued on April 21st of 2022. And the last
23 inspection being an underground sewer septic tank
24 connection inspection performed on March 7th of
25 2023. A driveway pre-pour inspection was also
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1 performed on April 11th of 2023 by the Water
2 Quality Department. Search of the St. Lucie County
3 Clerk of Court website revealed that a lien in the
4 amount of $4,513.36 was recorded from Coast
5 Building Contractors, LLC on May 12th of 2023, and
6 a second claim of lien filed on June 14th of 2023
7 in the amount of $15,967 from the business of
8 Cabinet Connection of the Treasure Coast, Inc. The
9 liens have not been satisfied within 30 days per
10 St. Lucie County ordinance; therefore, it was found
11 that Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc., Mark M.
12 Montalto violated under St. Lucie County Code
13 10-67(19) committing mismanagement or misconduct in
14 the practice of contracting that causes financial
15 harm to a customer. Financial mismanagement or
16 misconduct includes but is not limited to under
17 Section (a)(1), Valid liens have been recorded
18 against the property of a contractor's customer for
19 supplies or services ordered by the contractor for
20 the customer's job; the contractor has received
21 funds from the customer to pay for these services
22 or supplies; and the contractor has not had the
23 liens removed from the property, by payment or by
24 bond, within 30 days after such liens were
25 recorded.
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1 To reiterate, Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc.,
2 Mark M. Montalto, Sr. is a State licensed building
3 contractor, License No. CGC1263072, which was
4 effected on April 29th of 2019. Mr. Montalto does
5 currently possess and active license through DBPR,
6 and a State/County certification, Certification No.
7 31229, which became [verbatim] effective on May
8 19th of 2019.
9 Based on the facts of this case, Staff is
10 recommending to the Board that, Number 1, to
11 suspend the permitting privileges of Mark M.
12 Montalto, Sr, Port St. Lucie, Inc. for a period not
13 to exceed 365 days, require that a written request
14 be made to the Board to reinstate Port St. Lucie
15 Properties, Inc., Mark M. Montalto. Permitting
16 privileges after a one-year suspension. The
17 suspension will not apply to currently issued
18 permits. Staff also recommends that the Board
19 forward a copy of the Board's order to the Florida
20 Department of Business & Professional Regulation,
21 DBPR, and surrounding municipalities.
22 Reading into the record Case No. Code
23 2306-0000043 for 339 Smallwood Avenue in Fort
24 Pierce. For the record, I 'm submitting the
25 following documents as evidence: I'm submitting a
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1 copy of the Complaint Affidavit filed by property
2 owners Russell and Victoria Williams on June 5th --
3 June 5th of 2023, including a contract auto-signed
4 on June 22nd of 2022, addendums, proposal, proof of
5 payments by check and draw, totaling $48,862.30.
6 I'm submitting a copy of the Building Permit
7 Application for a new residential home build.
8 Permit No. BLDR2211-002109, applied for on
9 November 4th of 2022. Notice of Commencement
10 recorded on August 16th of 2022 with the St. Lucie
11 County Clerk of Court. Permit card for the permit
12 issued on April 21st of 2022. A complete permit
13 corrections report from Building & Development
14 Services and a Change of Contractor Form submitted
15 on June 2nd of 2023. I'm submitting a copy of a
16 Notice to Appear for the July 19th, 2023 Contractor
17 Licensing Board meeting, which was mailed via
18 certified mail, which remain undelivered, along
19 with a copy of the Notice to Appear for the
20 July 19th, 2023 Contractor Licensing Board meeting
21 that was posted at the business address of 2690 SW
22 Edgarce Street in Port St. Lucie, which is the new
23 business location for Port St. Lucie Properties,
24 Inc. I'm submitting a copy of Division of
25 Corporations information showing that Port St.
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1 Lucie Properties, Inc. is an active business with
2 the effective date of September 2nd, 1982. The
3 corporate officer is listed to be Mark Montalto.
4 I'm also submitting a copy of license details from
5 the Florida Department of Business and Professional
6 Regulations showing that Mark M. Montalto, Sr. is a
7 State license certified building contractor.
8 License No. CBC1263072, effective date of
9 April 22nd of 2019, along with Workers'
10 Compensation exemption information. I'm submitting
11 one photo taken on July 19th, 2023 by Code Officer
12 Paula Guy at the address of 339 Smallwood Avenue in
13 Fort Pierce.
14 On June 5th of 2023, a Complaint Affidavit was
15 filed by Mr. and Mrs. Williams against Port St.
16 Lucie Properties, Inc., Mark M. Montalto, Sr. for
17 new construction performed at the address of
18 339 Smallwood Avenue in Fort Piece. Mr. Montalto
19 was notified of this complaint in June 6th of 2023
20 during an in-person meeting within the Building
21 Department and a copy of the Complaint Affidavit
22 along with supporting documentation was provided
23 for his record.
24 The basis of complaint was for slow
25 construction, which the property owner stated there
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1 has been no activity on their property since they
2 made payments to Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc.
3 for the construction of their new home.
4 After commencing my investigation, I found the
5 permit on file. Building Residential Permit No.
6 BLDR2211-002109 was never issued and remained in a
7 pending status awaiting corrections from the Zoning
8 and Building Departments. No liens have been
9 recorded against this property.
10 Based on the facts of my investigation I found
11 the following. Under Prohibited Activities,
12 St. Lucie County Code 10-26(9), Commit any
13 fraudulent act as a contractor as a result of which
14 another is financially injured.
15 Under Revocation of Suspension of Certificate
16 of Competency, St. Lucie County Code 10-67(19),
17 Committing mismanagement or misconduct in the
18 practice of contracting that causes financial harm
19 to a customer. Financial mismanagement or
20 misconduct includes but is not limited to any of
21 the following: Under Section (a)(2), The
22 contractor has abandoned a customer's job and the
23 percentage of completion is less than the
24 percentage of the total contract price paid to the
25 contractor at the time of abandonment, unless the
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1 contractor is entitled to retain such funds under
2 the terms of the contract or refunds the excess
3 fund within 30 days after the job is abandoned.
4 To reiterate, Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc.,
5 Mark M. Montalto, Sr. is a State licensed building
6 contractor. License No. CBC1263072, which was
7 effective on April 22nd of 2019. Mr. Montalto does
8 currently possess an active license through the
9 Florida Department of Business and Professional
10 Regulation and is registered and certified through
11 St. Lucie County. Certification No. 31229, which
12 became effective on May 19th of 2019.
13 Based upon the facts of this case, Staff is
14 recommending to the Board that, Number 1, suspend
15 the permitting privileges for Mark M. Montalto,
16 Sr., Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. for a period
17 not to exceed 365 days. Number 2, to require that
18 a written request be made to the Board to reinstate
19 Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. Mark M. Montalto's
20 privileges after a one-year suspension. This
21 suspension will not apply to currently issued
22 permits. Staff also recommends to the Board to
23 forward a copy of the Board's order to the Florida
24 Department of Business and Professional
25 Regulations, DBPR, and surrounding municipalities.
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1 For Case No. Code 2306-0000044, the address of
2 85 Pinewood Lane in Fort Pierce, for the record,
3 I'm submitting the following documents as evidence:
4 I'm submitting a copy of a Complaint Affidavit
5 filed by property owners Joseph Peavy on
6 June 2nd of 2023, including a mortgage Agreement
7 for $423,000 and a Development Rider. I'm
8 submitting a copy of the Building Permit
9 Application for new residential home build.
10 Building Permit No. BLDR2108-0716, applied for on
11 August 25th of 2021. A Certificate of Occupancy
12 dated March 10th of 2023 and a Complete Permit
13 Corrections Report from the Building and
14 Development Services. I'm submitting a copy of a
15 Notice to Appear for the July 19th, 2023 Contractor
16 Licensing Board meeting, which was mailed via
17 certified mail, which did remain undelivered, along
18 with a copy of a Notice to Appear for the
19 July 19th, 2023 Contractor Licensing Board meeting
20 that was posted at the address of 2690 SW Edgarce
21 Street in Port St. Lucie, which is the new business
22 address location for Port St. Lucie Properties,
23 Inc. I'm submitting a copy of a Notice of Lien
24 recorded on May 3rd of 2023, with the St. Lucie
25 County Clerk of Court from Jetson TV & Appliance
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1 Center in the amount of $7,870.84. I'm submitting
2 a copy of Division of Corporations information
3 showing that Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc. is an
4 active business, with the effective date of
5 September 2nd of 1982. The corporate officer is
6 listed to be Mark Montalto. I'm also submitting a
7 copy of the licensed details from the Florida
8 Department of Business and Professional Regulations
9 showing that Mark M. Montalto, Sr. is a State
10 licensed certified building contractor. License
11 No. CBC1263072, effective date of April 22nd of
12 2019, along with Workers' Compensation information.
13 I'm submitting two photos taken by Code Supervisor
14 Danielle Williams on July 18th of 2023 at the
15 property address of 85 Pinewood Lane in Fort
16 Pierce.
17 On June 2nd of 2023, a Complaint Affidavit was
18 filed by Mr. Peavy against Port St. Lucie
19 Properties, Inc., Mark M. Montalto, Sr. for new
20 construction performed at the address of 85
21 Pinewood Lane in Fort Pierce. Mr. Montalto was
22 notified of this complaint on June 6th of 2023
23 during an in-person meeting within the Building
24 Department and a copy of the Complaint Affidavit
25 along with supporting documentation was provided to
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1 him for this record.
2 The basis of the complaint filed was for slow
3 construction, in which the property owner had to
4 refinance his loan with additional charges, as well
5 as a lien being place on the property after all
6 payments were made to the contractor.
7 After commencing my investigation, I found
8 that permit on file. Building Residential
9 Permit No. BLDR2108-0716 was issued and final
10 inspected. A search of the St. Lucie County Clerk
11 of Court website confirmed that a lien in the
12 amount of $7,870.84 from Jetson TV & Appliance
13 Center has been recorded on May 3rd of 2023 and is
14 still active. The lien has not been satisfied
15 within 30 days per St. Lucie County ordinance;
16 therefore, it was found that Port St. Lucie
17 Properties, Inc., Mark M. Montalto, Sr. violated
18 under revocation or suspension of Certificate of
19 Competency, St. Lucie County Code 10-67(19),
20 Committing mismanagement or misconduct in the
21 practice of contracting that causes financial harm
22 to a customer. Financial mismanagement or
23 misconduct includes but is not limited to any of
24 the following under Section (a)(1), Valid liens
25 have been recorded against the property of a
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1 contractor's customer for supplies or services
2 ordered by the contractor for the customer's job;
3 the contractor has received funds from the customer
4 to pay for the supplies or services; and the
5 contactor has not had the liens removed from the
6 property, by payment or bond, within 30 days after
7 such liens have been filed.
8 To reiterate, Port St. Lucie Properties, Inc.,
9 Mark. M. Montalto, Sr. is a State licensed building
10 contractor. License No. CBC1263072, which was
11 effective on April 22nd of 2019. Mr. Montalto does
12 currently possess an active license through the
13 Florida Department of Business and Professional
14 Regulation. Mr. Montalto is also registered and
15 certified through St. Lucie County. Certification
16 No. 31229, which became effective on May 19th of
17 2019.
18 Based upon the facts of this case, Staff is
19 recommending to the Board that, Number 1, to
20 suspend the permitting privileges for
21 Mark M. Montalto, Sr., Port St. Lucie Properties,
22 Inc. for a period not to exceed a period of 365
23 days. Require that a written request be made to
24 the Board to reinstate Port St. Lucie Properties,
25 Inc., Mr. Montalto's privileges after a one-year
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1 suspension. This suspension will not apply to
2 currently issued permits. Staff also recommends to
3 the Board to forward a copy of the Board's order to
4 Florida Department of Business and Professional
5 Regulations and surrounding municipalities.
6 And for the record, I do have Mr. Montalto
7 here, and I do know of two property owners that are
8 here that are part of these cases.
9 THE CHAIR: Officer Cicio, thank you. That's
10 a lot of work that you put in to bringing this to
11 this Board. Not often do we have a package that's
12 795 pages long.
13 Is Mr. Robert and Ms. Tiffany Noon present?
14 Mr. Noon, would you please come up to be sworn
15 in again? And thank you for being here.
16 MR. NOON: Robert Noon, 3526 (sic) SW
17 Dellamano Avenue.
18 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
19 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
20 MR. NOON: Yes, ma'am.
21 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
22 THE CHAIR: Let me just remind you, would you
23 please speak into the mic for the secretary,
24 please.
25 MR. NOON: Yes, sir.
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1 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Mr. Noon, thank you
2 for being here. We've had an opportunity to review
3 your case. We've had an opportunity to review all
4 the paperwork and hear what Mr. Cicio had to say.
5 What else would you like to add to the -- for the
6 Board?
7 MR. NOON: Much like the gentleman said
8 earlier, it's hard -- it's been hard for my whole
9 family. My wife suffered. She -- she's been the
10 -- spearheading all this and she couldn't get here
11 today because or emotional stress. So I'm here.
12 She -- my kids have suffered. My son finished his
13 service to our country as a United States Marine
14 and I had no place for him to come home to. This
15 isn't just -- it's not a business transaction.
16 This is a -- we are victims of this. It's been
17 emotional and it's been a long time. And I -- just
18 the excuses and I -- I can say a lot of things.
19 I'm trying to be respectful to you guys. I'm very
20 angry, but it's -- I could have -- I could have
21 went with any other builder and I wouldn't be here
22 in front of you guys today. I would be at work
23 where I'm supposed to be. You know, my oldest son
24 would be somewhere close by, not in another state.
25 I wouldn't -- I wouldn't be in the financial
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1 trouble that I'm in because of paying all this
2 additional rent that I've had to pay since, you
3 know, the original deadline that this house was
4 supposed to be completed.
5 I mean, I can go on and on about all the
6 things -- the relationship between me and my wife
7 has severely been affected. At this point, I don't
8 know if I'll ever even be able to -- when it -- if
9 it ever does get done, I'll probably will never
10 even be able to live in there, and then that's --
11 you know, that's -- that was something that we were
12 trying to build for ourselves and our family. My
13 kids go to -- I live in Port St. Lucie. My kids go
14 to school all the way in North Fort Pierce. I was
15 trying to get closer so that they could safely
16 traverse to and from school and all their extra
17 activities, you know. Just that, you know. The
18 way the world is and the traffic and peace of mind
19 of your kids safety. You know, this is -- this is
20 all the things that went into us trying to relocate
21 and better our lives and now it's all been taken
22 from, what I see, is negligence, you know. He can
23 say whatever he wants. There's been hundreds --
24 I've seen hundreds of houses being started from --
25 from land clearing to occupancy just in my
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1 neighborhood that I live in now I've seen this. I
2 work for the City of Stuart. I've seen houses
3 start and finish in -- in the time that I'm waiting
4 to -- to continue my life. Like the gentleman
5 said, we're in limbo. Our lives are in limbo.
6 That's all I really can say. It's very emotionally
7 and -- we are victims. It's not a victimless
8 situation.
9 THE CHAIR: No, I understand. Thank you for
10 being here, Mr. Noons. Does anybody on the Board
11 have any questions for Mr. Noons.
12 MR. NOON: Sorry.
13 THE CHAIR: It's okay. Just hang out there
14 for a second -- just a second longer. Mr. Noon,
15 thank you for being here. I know it's very raw. I
16 appreciate that.
17 MR. NOON: Thank you.
18 THE CHAIR: Officer Cicio, you said we have
19 the contractor Mr. Mark Montalto here.
20 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir, I do.
21 THE CHAIR: Mr. Montalto, would you please
22 come up to the mic and be sworn in.
23 MS. JOHNSON: Name and address, please.
24 MR. MONTALTO: Mark Montalto. 2028 SW
25 Driftwood Street.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Where is that?
2 MR. MONTALTO: Port St. Lucie.
3 MS. JOHNSON: Port St. Lucie. Raise your
4 right hand.
5 Do you affirm to tell the truth, the whole
6 truth, and nothing but the truth?
7 MR. MONTALTO: Yes, I do.
8 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
9 THE CHAIR: Mr. Montalto, thank you for being
10 here. I just remind you to kind of speak into the
11 mic for the secretary to make sure it's being
12 recorded.
13 You've heard the four cases in front of us.
14 We have a homeowner that's spoken. Please tell us
15 your side.
16 MR. MONTALTO: Well, I've never been here
17 before. You know, I've been in business since I
18 was 18 years old. Never planned on any of this to
19 happen to anybody. You know, it's been happening
20 for about a year and a half now and I'm sticking it
21 out and getting a lot of help from a lot of
22 individuals. I've reached out to every bank that
23 each client has to help me with cash flows and to
24 have them pay the bills directly so I don't have to
25 worry about these funds coming in and because --
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1 the majority of these houses that we're building
2 right now, which is well over 100, were all sold
3 during -- before, during or just after COVID, and
4 with a lot of these CP construction loans you --
5 they don't allow you to put an escalation clause
6 into -- into your mortgage. So basically if
7 something arises in price I basically have to eat
8 that. And being the person that I am, I like to
9 try and treat everybody the same way so I have, you
10 know, quite a few cash clients that I don't -- that
11 could have put an excalation clause into their
12 contract, but I didn't because I didn't want to
13 treat them any differently than a CP mortgage
14 person. So after -- when you're trying to build
15 during COVID, you know, you couldn't get materials,
16 you couldn't get windows, for what, nine, ten
17 months for windows and then -- the cost of material
18 and labor was between 40 and 50,000 per house and
19 we had well over 100 houses in the ground at that
20 time, we'll just use a round number of 100 houses,
21 that's a $5 million whack, you know, so that took
22 away all of you capital basically to continue
23 working, running -- to run the business. My
24 payroll's $25,000 a week, that's 100 grand a month.
25 I can't layoff more than what I already have,
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1 because there's too many -- too much work going on.
2 I can't do it myself. Then when you factor in
3 liabilities, you Workers' Comp, your late bills
4 your rents and all your overhead you're about --
5 I'm around $175,000 a month in overhead.
6 So the cash flows been the issue. Things have
7 been slow. As I said on my builders (inaudible),
8 we had 143 houses in the ground. We are now down
9 to 87. We are knocking people out, finishing them
10 up. It's too slow for me but it's all I can -- you
11 know, I'm going as fast as I possibly can, but do
12 plan on making everything right for every
13 individual. I did -- I know that he's mentioned
14 that there was a couple of liens but that's not
15 according to where he looks up on the -- you know,
16 where he looks up, yes, they're still -- they
17 weren't recorded but, yet, they were paid, except
18 for one, Mr. Peavy's -- well, are we talking about
19 this one first?
20 THE CHAIR: We are talking about Mr. Noon.
21 MR. MONTALTO: You're just staying --
22 THE CHAIR: Mr. and Mrs. Noon, yes.
23 MR. MONTALTO: Okay. That -- basically with
24 the Noons that's -- basic what the problem was,
25 cash flow, just trying to keep things moving
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1 forward. You know, it's -- I did take -- now, he
2 had mentioned that there was liens on Mr. Noons; am
3 I correct?
4 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir, that's correct.
5 MR. MONTALTO: I have paperwork here stating
6 otherwise from the bank itself. Emails and draw
7 sheets that shows that they were paid off on 5/9/23
8 in a draw from the bank. I paid them directly.
9 Yeah, you can take all these -- well, this one
10 shows that May 9th that this was paid off.
11 Actually, what number is that eight or nine?
12 At the top.
13 MS. WILLIAMS: Eight.
14 MR. MONTALTO: All right. This is -- you can
15 make copy of this one too. It shows the same
16 thing. I show on there -- I took in revenue on
17 that project for 245,400 bucks. You can take
18 these, too, if you want, but I paid 251.
19 So I took in 245, paid out 251. That's
20 just -- you know, slow. Cash flow issues, but I
21 met with many, many old-time contractors that have
22 been around here for years asking them to please
23 come in my office and help me get through this.
24 Obviously, you guys have been through the
25 '80s, the '90s, '07, and so on, crashes, what did
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1 you do to survive? And I'll use Mr. Grosso
2 (phonetic) as one. I took in the dad. You know,
3 he's been through them all, and he came in my
4 office and he said, What you're going through right
5 now, Mark, is nobody's gone through it. We call
6 it -- I call it a trifecta. Back in the '80s you
7 had just a material issue, one item to work
8 through. In the '90s you had a labor issue, one
9 item to work through. 2007, you had the banks, the
10 banks just weren't loaning money to anybody
11 anymore. '90s, '80s, I never had an issue. Never
12 new there was a problem. That's when we build the
13 Lake Charles out there in St. Lucie West, and the
14 Vineyards and Rivers Place and stuff like that.
15 Everybody comes from up North we never knew there
16 was an issue outside the walls. But the first
17 Mr. Grosso asked me, he says, Do you have an
18 excalation clause in your contract? And said,
19 Well, you know the CP loaned them. Banks don't
20 allow you to put excalation clauses in your -- in
21 your mortgage. I said, If they did, I wouldn't be
22 in the position I'm in right now. He says, Well,
23 Goldwater gave me one about six years ago. Well,
24 that lit me up. So I got on my cell phone and
25 called the president of the corporation on his cell
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1 phone -- and now I'm having a brain fart of what
2 his name is. Cory. I called up Cory on his cell
3 phone. I said, Cory, I got you on the speakerphone
4 right now taking to Mr. Grosso. He's in here to
5 teach me how to get through this. What to do with
6 the -- you know, how to start a program to help me
7 out to get through this situation I'm in. So the
8 first question he asked me was, Do I have an
9 escalation clause? And I told him, Of course I
10 don't because nobody's allowed to do that in a CP
11 loan. I said, But Mr. Grosso told me you gave him
12 one. I said, One did you give him one and not
13 myself. He said, Well, we didn't give him an
14 escalation clause. We gave him what's called a
15 contingency clause. We put 20 or 30,000 to the
16 side so if we have to dip into it for a situation
17 like this we can. And said, So because I called it
18 an excalation clause and you're calling it a
19 contingency clause you couldn't of worked those
20 words out with me and I wouldn't be where I'm at
21 right now. But he had no answer for that. So I
22 just continued to ask him is there a way that you
23 guys can help me out with the cash flow when I do
24 everything as per normal, set up for a draw
25 inspection, you send the inspector out to look at
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1 it, send me the paperwork to sign off on it, send
2 it to the customer to sign off on it, pay the bills
3 direct, do not send me the money. That's been
4 working great lately. It took about 3 or 4 months
5 to get that totally defined, because I had to go
6 through all the lawyers to rewrite the mortgage
7 clauses and so on, all the stuff they have to do.
8 MIDFLORIDA -- now, that hurts me with the Goldwater
9 there as far -- as far as overhead. Because if
10 they're not sending me any money, then how do I
11 cover the payroll, like, build so on and so on.
12 One hundred fifty-three rental toilets around
13 everywhere, you know what I mean? MIDFLORIDA,
14 they're helping me out also. Just to use round
15 numbers. If the draw is $30,000 and the bills due
16 are 22,000, they pay the bills for me directly and
17 they send me the balance to help towards covering
18 my payroll. But as far as Noon, I never wanted to
19 be in the position they're in. There house is
20 tiled and -- I believe. I don't look at her most
21 recently but -- I believe it's tiled. It just
22 needs cabinets, but the only issue with the
23 cabinets is they got to be purchased upfront and
24 that's -- I mean, the house is just pretty much
25 not -- not too far along from being finished.
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1 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Mr. Montalto,
2 question -- question for you. How long do you
3 think it should take to build a house start to
4 finish --
5 MR. MONTALTO: Now?
6 THE CHAIR: -- from the time you break ground
7 until the time you're down.
8 MR. MONTALTO: Back in the day, back in the
9 '90s we can knock them out in 4 months.
10 THE CHAIR: I'm not talking about the '90s.
11 MR. MONTALTO: Now --
12 THE CHAIR: How long do you think it should
13 take to build a house from start to finish?
14 MR. MONTALTO: Today?
15 THE CHAIR: Today.
16 MR. MONTALTO: Now, when you're saying from
17 ground break or --
18 THE CHAIR: Break ground.
19 MR. MONTALTO: -- from slab --
20 THE CHAIR: You break ground.
21 MR. MONTALTO: Seven months.
22 THE CHAIR: Seven months. And how long have
23 you been working on the Noon project?
24 MR. MONTALTO: I'm not 100 percent sure. It
25 looks like 11 -- I think the first bill was paid
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2 THE CHAIR: So would you agree that that's 15,
3 16 months?
4 MR. MONTALTO: Absolutely.
5 THE CHAIR: Okay. And you said it should take
6 7 months to build a house.
7 MR. MONTALTO: In perfect condition, yes.
8 THE CHAIR: Question for you. How many homes
9 did you sell in 2021? Roughly.
10 MR. MONTALTO: 2021?
11 THE CHAIR: Uh-huh.
12 MR. MONTALTO: I'd say 140.
13 THE CHAIR: How many homes did you sell in
14 2022?
15 MR. MONTALTO: I'm not sure.
16 THE CHAIR: Rough. Rough idea. I'm not going
17 to hold you to it.
18 MR. MONTALTO: It was less than that. But
19 I --
20 THE CHAIR: How many homes have you sold in
21 2023?
22 MR. MONTALTO: I don't think any because I
23 stopped sales. I --
24 THE CHAIR: You don't think any?
25 MR. MONTALTO: I don't believe I sold --
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1 THE CHAIR: So you haven't sold a home in
2 2023?
3 MR. MONTALTO: As far as a new construction?
4 THE CHAIR: Uh-huh.
5 MR. MONTALTO: I would have to go back and
6 look and see exactly what day I cut off --
7 THE CHAIR: So you can tell me that you sold
8 140 homes in 2021, roughly a little bit less than
9 that in 2022, but you don't remember whether you
10 sold a house in 2023 or not?
11 MR. MONTALTO: I don't even think I sold 140
12 in 2021. What I'm saying that -- when I look at
13 the builders trend and I have 143 houses --
14 THE CHAIR: Rough numbers.
15 MR. MONTALTO: -- on there, I don't know
16 exactly what years those were sold in.
17 THE CHAIR: How many homes did you sell in
18 2023?
19 MR. MONTALTO: 2023?
20 THE CHAIR: This year.
21 MR. MONTALTO: I have no idea. I honestly --
22 THE CHAIR: Have you sold a home in 2023?
23 MR. MONTALTO: To a client?
24 THE CHAIR: Uh-huh.
25 MR. MONTALTO: I don't believe so. I would
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1 have to go back and look at it. I'd be lying if I
2 say yeah, I'd be lying if I say no. I really would
3 have to look at it, because I don't remember when I
4 decided to close the model center because I didn't
5 want to get more people upset. I'm meeting with my
6 clients every hour on the hour in my office. I
7 need to have them face to face to talk with them,
8 to let them know what's going on, let them -- what
9 my plan is to get them finished. I don't want it
10 by text message, I don't want it by email. I don't
11 want it by phone call. I want it face to face
12 sitting in front of me. You get the true feeling
13 of what we're talking about and know exactly that
14 I'm -- you know, I'm telling you the truth. Text
15 message, phone calls, you can take whatever you're
16 talking about the wrong way, not the way you really
17 mean it, you know?
18 So I have been in meeting just about every
19 day. I asked my secretary to stop making the
20 meetings on Mondays and Fridays because I have to
21 give me some time to do some of my work to look at
22 bank draws and get other things organized. So I
23 have run behind 4 to 450 emails at any time,
24 because I just don't have the time to get to it.
25 THE CHAIR: Thank you. It's disappointing you
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1 couldn't answer my question about 2023. I have no
2 further questions for Mr. Montalto.
3 Does anybody else have any questions from the
4 Board?
5 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Montalto, how many --
6 how long have you been in business?
7 MR. MONTALTO: I've been in business for 42
8 years.
9 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. How long have you
10 owned Port St. Lucie Properties?
11 MR. MONTALTO: I owned Port St. Lucie
12 Properties 2014. I worked with Phil, built all his
13 houses since '93. And then we bought Loran
14 Builders, my brother and I. When I took my brother
15 down from Connecticut as a partner when I was
16 building all the houses in Lake Charles, and then
17 Vinny and I bought Loran Builders.
18 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I got it. So you can -- I'm
19 a builder also. We do pretty good in our
20 profession. Low end 10 percent on each house.
21 Would you agree to that?
22 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah, if you'd be lucky enough
23 10 percent.
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. Low end 10 percent.
25 I don't build the -- quite the smaller houses that
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1 you build. I build custom homes. COVID came. I
2 didn't have escalation clauses. On average 50 --
3 5,000, 5,200 square foot the -- the escalated cost
4 of that house to me was probably $7,000, okay? So
5 on your houses you're a little bit smaller than
6 that.
7 MR. MONTALTO: You only had $7,000 escalation
8 clause?
9 MR. DiFRANCESCO: That's it. That's it
10 because you only pay for -- the only thing you pay
11 for their extra, it wasn't labor, you pay for
12 plywood, studs, anything that had to do with
13 wood -- wood or steel, okay? So -- what I'm
14 getting at, I just don't see how you fell -- you
15 fell so far behind. I really don't.
16 MR. MONTALTO: Say it again.
17 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I do not see how you fell so
18 far behind, okay? I agree with you it takes about
19 7 months to -- it takes almost as long to get a
20 permit that it does to build a house, okay? And if
21 you started this house in 2021 and not done, why?
22 What have you been doing with his house?
23 MR. MONTALTO: I'm trying to get things
24 done --
25 MR. DiFRANCESCO: How.
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1 MR. MONTALTO: -- it is difficult without the
2 cash flow.
3 MR. DiFRANCESCO: In today's market -- in
4 today's market -- you know, everybody knows Florida
5 is the hottest market. It's starting to slow down
6 now, which is going to be a worse problem for you
7 but -- I don't see it.
8 MR. MONTALTO: Well, to be honest with you, I
9 don't know how you don't see it, because a typical
10 lumber package is $12,800, and during the COVID
11 session I was paying $28,000 for the lumber,
12 trusses tripled in cost, windows have doubled in
13 cost, plywood is --
14 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So your houses are 3,000
15 square foot or less.
16 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah.
17 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. I've been in business
18 since 1984.
19 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah.
20 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I know what costs are, and I
21 know what I pay for windows.
22 MR. MONTALTO: I'm sure.
23 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I know how long it took to
24 get windows. They were 36 weeks out sometimes. So
25 I've been through the same as you, and I'm sure
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1 that the other home builders like Grand
2 Construction, the majority of the Port St. Lucie
3 homebuilders, they went through the same thing you
4 went through. Unfortunately --
5 MR. MONTALTO: They did and they didn't -- go
6 ahead.
7 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Unfortunately, they're not
8 here. You are.
9 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah, that's fine. And I --
10 there is a difference between those -- those big
11 box builders there than us though. We allow people
12 to make changes to every single house there is.
13 Holiday Builders and the other ones you mentioned,
14 they can stock their cabinets. They can stock
15 everything in a warehouse someplace because
16 nothing's going to change. That wall's going to be
17 exactly where it's going to be. That's not the
18 case with us. We have to -- everything gets built
19 per house.
20 Luckily now windows, I get windows in 6 weeks
21 with PGT.
22 MR. DiFRANCESCO: But you say your houses are
23 custom houses?
24 MR. MONTALTO: Yes.
25 MR. DiFRANCESCO: But you got each one of them
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1 labeled as --
2 MR. MONTALTO: Custom house, semi-custom.
3 MR. DiFRANCESCO: You've got each one of the
4 labeled so you can order windows for 6 houses at a
5 time.
6 MR. MONTALTO: Negative.
7 MR. DiFRANCESCO: No?
8 MR. MONTALTO: No.
9 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Why? Because you got --
10 MR. MONTALTO: Because win -- we allow the
11 customers to change their windows, with the
12 location, their sizes. They're allowed to change
13 anything within inside those -- inside those four
14 walls. So I cannot stock anything.
15 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Can you tell us what held
16 his house -- Mr. Noon's house up?
17 MR. MONTALTO: I'm sorry.
18 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Can you tell us what held
19 Mr. Noon's house up?
20 MR. MONTALTO: Me.
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: You?
22 MR. MONTALTO: Me.
23 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. Ultimately it comes
24 down to the contractor.
25 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah.
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1 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Is it just a bad business
2 practice? If it comes down to it --
3 MR. MONTALTO: When it comes down to it,
4 that's what it comes down to, yeah.
5 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. Okay. Thank you.
6 MR. JERGER: I got a question for him.
7 There's an old saying, You can't borrow money to
8 get out of debt.
9 MR. MONTALTO: You can't what?
10 MR. DiFRANCESCO: If you -- you can't borrow
11 money to get out of debt.
12 MR. MONTALTO: Okay.
13 MR. JERGER: If you knew you didn't have the
14 cash flow, why did you keep accepting contracts?
15 MR. MONTALTO: That's why we stopped.
16 MR. JERGER: Why couldn't you finish the
17 houses?
18 MR. MONTALTO: That's why we stopped. We
19 stopped -- I should have looked up to see when I
20 did shut down the model center but -- I don't
21 remember exactly when we shut it down, but I did
22 not want any more situations. I did not want to
23 have to have any more customers come into my office
24 and explain to them what's going on. That's why I
25 stopped the sales. I cut the bleeding, cut this
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1 off until I get everything out of control. And I
2 have -- so I'm selling quite a few properties, like
3 the model is sold. And that's closing on August
4 the 4th and then that money is just going right
5 back into helping out the customers. You know, go
6 right back into their house to help me with the
7 cash flow. I have one here in the County on Bamboo
8 is sold. That is closing on the 18th. That money
9 is going right back into the business to help out
10 what all the issues that we're having. I have a
11 house on Piper in Port St. Lucie in the Torino area
12 that's sold. That -- but it's still in the rough
13 stages. That's going to be a few months out before
14 I can collect that money and, also, here in Indian
15 River Estates I have, I believe, four that are
16 about 98 percent done that are ready for sale.
17 So I have a quite a few spec houses. Well, I
18 personally have eight. Three in Port St. Lucie.
19 Five in Indian River Estate -- no, four in Indian
20 River Estates, one in Lakewood Park.
21 MR. JERGER: Can you tell -- can you tell Mr.
22 Noon what you plan on doing for him?
23 MR. MONTALTO: I'm sorry?
24 MR. JERGER: Can you tell Mr. Noon, what you
25 plan on doing for him?
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1 MR. MONTALTO: Mr. who?
2 MR. JERGER: Finishing his house? Mr. Noon.
3 Can you tell him what you plan on doing?
4 MR. MONTALTO: Well, I can't tell him I'm
5 planning on doing anything because he's already
6 terminated the contract, but I would have loved to
7 -- I mean, all his bills are paid. And then I
8 don't owe anything on this -- on his house.
9 Now, if he wanted to -- did you already get
10 another lawyer? I mean, another contractor?
11 MR. NOON: Not yet.
12 MR. MONTALTO: Well, I'm more than willing to
13 sit down with you as we did before (inaudible.) My
14 goal is to get everybody to the finish line. If I
15 was not planning on getting everybody to the finish
16 line, when I started having these issues about a
17 year and a half ago, I would have done like her
18 Facebook page says, That I ran to Mexico or I ran
19 to Palm Bay.
20 THE CHAIR: Mr. Montalto, thank you.
21 MR. MONTALTO: I'm right here.
22 THE CHAIR: Mr. Montalto, please -- please
23 address the Board. I don't want to have any more
24 conversation.
25 MR. JERGER: Thank you. No more -- no more
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1 questions from me.
2 MR. MONTALTO: I'm here in my office trying to
3 get this right?
4 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Does anybody else have
5 any questions for Mr. Montalto?
6 MR. MORRIS: Yeah, I got -- I'm trying to
7 understand the word you used, "cash flow," and how
8 it applies to, let's just say, Mr. Noon. I haven't
9 got the numbers in front of me, but if Mr. Noon's
10 house was $325,000, did he give the $325,000. Did
11 the bank give you it or were you drawing it?
12 MR. MONTALTO: No, the -- the bank -- when you
13 -- well, I don't have a copy of the draw schedule
14 here -- yes --
15 MR. MORRIS: Have you -- have you drawn all of
16 the money to build Mr. Noon's house?
17 MR. MONTALTO: No.
18 MR. MORRIS: So Mr. Noon has canceled the
19 contract because you were taking so -- excuse me --
20 are taking so long to finish his home?
21 MR. MONTALTO: I can't -- I can't hear what
22 you're saying.
23 MR. MORRIS: Am I --
24 MR. MONTALTO: I don't know if it's you accent
25 and the volume or my hearing aide.
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1 MR. MORRIS: I can hear you through your fist,
2 like that so -- Mr. Noon's house --
3 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah.
4 MR. MORRIS: -- home, it's taken, what, 18
5 months so far?
6 MR. MONTALTO: It shows I made the first
7 payment 11/4/2022.
8 MR. MORRIS: Okay. And how much as he paid to
9 you so far?
10 MR. MONTALTO: How much did I pay to build his
11 house for him?
12 MR. MORRIS: How much has he paid to you so
13 far?
14 MR. MONTALTO: The bank has paid me so far
15 $245,000.
16 MR. MORRIS: So why did the bank stop paying
17 you?
18 MR. MONTALTO: Because they had to stop
19 working on the house.
20 MR. MORRIS: Who did?
21 MR. MONTALTO: The cus -- right?
22 MR. NOON: Nothing was getting done and you --
23 MR. MONTALTO: What?
24 MR. NOON: You weren't asking for draws
25 because you weren't doing anything.
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1 THE CHAIR: Mr. Noon, thank you. But I
2 apologize --
3 MR. NOON: I'm sorry.
4 THE CHAIR: That's okay. I understand.
5 MR. MONTALTO: That's fine. His house is
6 ready for cabinetry. As soon as we can get the
7 cabinets here, because they'll have to be built per
8 house, then we can move forward.
9 Have I ordered the cabinets? No. Because I
10 received emails that they were moving on with
11 another contractor so I didn't -- I did not order
12 the cabinets.
13 MR. MORRIS: So as part of the draw that
14 you've taken from Mr. Noon, does that include the
15 cabinets?
16 MR. MONTALTO: No. No.
17 MR. MORRIS: So everything that you've drawn
18 from Mr. Noon, you have completed on his home
19 albeit that it's taken you 18 months to do it?
20 MR. MONTALTO: You have to repeat that again.
21 MR. MORRIS: I'm just trying to ascertain
22 whether Mr. Noon's got everything that he's paid
23 for so far from you.
24 MR. MONTALTO: That is correct. I collected
25 from him -- from his bank $245,000, but I paid out
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1 $251,000. So I paid out about $10,000 more than
2 what I actually received from the bank.
3 MR. MORRIS: So the -- just so that I'm clear.
4 His house has had 251 grand put into it by you --
5 MR. MONTALTO: Uh-huh.
6 MR. MORRIS: -- and all he's left now is the
7 cabinets.
8 MR. MONTALTO: No, he got cabinets and then
9 final -- cabinets, countertops, final plumbing,
10 final grade, grass.
11 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Noon, just got fed up with
12 waiting?
13 MR. MONTALTO: Uh?
14 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Noon, just got fed up with
15 waiting for 18 months?
16 MR. MONTALTO: I'm sorry, I couldn't
17 understand --
18 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Noon --
19 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah.
20 MR. MORRIS: -- didn't want to wait any longer
21 than 18 months so he canceled the contract?
22 MR. MONTALTO: Oh, I'm sure nobody wants to
23 wait that long.
24 MR. MORRIS: And how many times has Mr. Noon
25 been to your office? Have you sat down in front of
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1 Mr. Noon, because, apparently, you're available
2 three times a week to talk to every customer that
3 you've got that has a complaint against you.
4 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah. But he can come to my
5 office and look at the appointment book and see
6 that just about every hour on the hour I'm sitting
7 down with a customer.
8 MR. MORRIS: But, obviously, not Mr. Noon.
9 MR. MONTALTO: Now, if he's saying he was
10 there, I don't know.
11 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Noon or Mr. -- I cannot
12 remember what this gentleman's name is here, but
13 he's already stated that he can't get in front of
14 you.
15 MR. MONTALTO: Say again?
16 MR. MORRIS: The first gentleman that talked,
17 has already state that he couldn't get in front of
18 you.
19 MR. MONTALTO: They've gotten in front of me
20 quite a few times. The reason why I haven't made a
21 meeting with them right now is because I don't
22 have a --
23 MR. MORRIS: It's all good, Mr. Montalto. I
24 think I've heard enough.
25 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr. Morris, I
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1 appreciate it. Mr. Montalto, I want to make sure I
2 make something clear -- clear on this one, is I --
3 I believe you have all intentions of building these
4 people's homes. I firmly believe that, and I
5 firmly believe you got caught up in the whirlwind
6 of selling 140 and 150 homes in 2021 when everybody
7 was excited. Everybody wanted to move to Florida.
8 I'm a firm believer that you got caught up and
9 didn't raise your prices fast enough, and when --
10 when the time got done and you looked at all your
11 numbers and you went, "Oh, crap, I'm upside
12 down" -- when instead of taking it and, like all
13 the rest of us builders did and making sure we
14 raised prices and we did what we were supposed to
15 do running a proper business -- there's no doubt in
16 my mind, you are am good homebuilder. You've been
17 around this area for a very long time. No doubt.
18 But we -- what we have in front of us is a case
19 that we've got to base on judgment on all the facts
20 and findings we have in front of us.
21 I have no further question for Mr. Montalto.
22 Does anybody of the Board have any further
23 questions. If not, I'll entertain a motion.
24 MR. NEILL, JR.: Mr. Leonard, are we
25 proceeding one at a time and is Mr. Montalto going
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2 THE CHAIR: Yes.
3 MR. NEILL, JR.: -- and the people will be
4 able to have their say?
5 THE CHAIR: Absolutely.
6 MR. NEILL, JR.: Okay. And so the motion that
7 you're requesting is on Mr. Noon?
8 THE CHAIR: My motion is -- request on
9 the Case No. 2303-0000034.
10 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Chairman, I'll make a
11 motion. On this particular case, I make a motion
12 to revoke the permit privileges of Mark Montalto
13 and/or Port St. Lucie Properties for a term not to
14 exceed 365 days, for new permits only, that will
15 allow him to finish the jobs that he does have,
16 however long it takes him, hopefully, it will take
17 him less than a year, and then he can come back in
18 front of us and -- and apply for his license again.
19 He needs to come in with a written request after a
20 year to get reinstated and a copy of the Board's
21 order shall be forward to the Department of
22 Business and Professional Regulation and the
23 surrounding municipalities.
24 THE CHAIR: We have a motion. Do we have
25 second?
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1 MR. MORRIS: Second.
2 THE CHAIR: Second by Mr. Morris.
3 Madam Secretary, can you take a voice vote?
4 MS. JOHNSON: Yes.
5 THE CHAIR: Sorry, Mr. Harvey.
6 MR. HARVEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
7 Doug Harvey, Building Official.
8 Just for clarification, does the motion
9 include applications that are submitted and are in
10 the process of review right now, or are they
11 applications that are in review being suspended?
12 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Do we know how many
13 applications are in?
14 MR. HARVEY: I apologize, sir, I do not have
15 an exact number right now.
16 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. But Mr. Montalto
17 didn't know if he sold any houses in 2023 or not.
18 Evidently, we did.
19 MR. HARVEY: Well, just as an example the
20 pro -- the project that we're currently talking
21 about, I was -- I looked it up while we were
22 talking, and it was actually submitted originally
23 on September 28th of 2021. The permit was actually
24 issued on June 23rd of 2022. So the project has
25 been underway for 11 months.
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1 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Why is that?
2 MR. HARVEY: There were some issues with the
3 design that needed to be corrected for code
4 compliance, and all the designers were taking 3 and
5 4 months to respond to comments from the Building
6 Department at that time. So there were a number of
7 delays in getting permits out during that period of
8 time. A lot of it had to do with responses from
9 the design professionally. I -- I'm not looking at
10 all of the comments on this permit right now, but I
11 was just -- for clarification, if there are permits
12 that are in the system, I just wanted to know if
13 those can be processed or not.
14 Thank you.
15 MR. DiFRANCESCO: No, sir, I don't --
16 Mr. Chairman, in my opinion, I don't think it --
17 they should be allowed to be issued, because what's
18 going to happen is, we're going to get more draws
19 coming out and we're going to be robbing Peter to
20 pay Paul and it's just going to get worse, somebody
21 else is going to be harmed.
22 THE CHAIR: So Mr. DiFrancesco, your motion is
23 to not allow --
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: My motion is to allow him to
25 finish all permitted --
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1 THE CHAIR: All issued permits.
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: All issued permits.
3 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr. DiFrancesco.
4 Mr. Morris, you had seconded it. Are you okay
5 with that?
6 MR. MORRIS: Yep. Yes, sir.
7 THE CHAIR: Any further discussion amongst the
8 Board?
9 MR. PRIEST: Please. So my concern would be a
10 homeowner who has a bank loan and a draw has been
11 issued to the contractor to initiate permitting.
12 So that homeowner could get damaged even if it were
13 a current contract in 2023 by your motion Mr. --
14 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, sir. But how much do
15 you want them to be -- do you want them to be out
16 10 percent, which is generally what a bank will
17 give? Do you want them to be out 10 percent, which
18 would be 32 to $35,000. Or do you want them to be
19 out $100,000 --
20 MR. PRIEST: I'm just cautioning --
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: -- like some people are?
22 MR. PRIEST: -- that the motion and the vote
23 of the Board could be doing harm to other
24 individuals.
25 THE CHAIR: So Mr. Harvey, I apologize. Give
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1 me the dates again on when that application you had
2 just referenced was first applied for.
3 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir. The computer shows it
4 is as an application date of September 28th, 2021,
5 and a permit issued date of June 23rd of 2022.
6 THE CHAIR: So the permit was issued, but
7 there's been no activity on the project?
8 MR. HARVEY: No, sir. This is the project
9 that's almost done.
10 THE CHAIR: This is a project that's almost
11 completed.
12 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir.
13 THE CHAIR: It's an issued permit.
14 MR. HARVEY: It's an issued permit, yes.
15 MR. DiFRANCESCO: It has nothing to do with
16 what we're talking about.
17 THE CHAIR: Yeah, it has nothing to do with --
18 yeah. I thought you were referencing a permit that
19 wasn't -- that was in the system but yet wasn't
20 issued.
21 MR. HARVEY: I was just asking for
22 clarification if there are permits in the system
23 that are in review. If they are being suspended.
24 Not necessarily this one.
25 THE CHAIR: If there permit's been issued, I
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1 believe -- Mr. DiFrancesco, you can clarify
2 but --
3 MR. DiFRANCESCO: If the permit is -- already
4 issued, he has the right to finish -- finish the
5 project.
6 MR. HARVEY: Thank you.
7 THE CHAIR: I would agree.
8 MR. PRIEST: I'm just trying to make sure
9 you're clear on my point. If he has a contract say
10 that was signed at the end of 2022, the bank issued
11 the first draw for permitting, drawings, he
12 submitted that permit application, March of 2023,
13 it hasn't been issued yet. So we're now stopping
14 that contract even though a draw has been issued by
15 the bank so that homeowner could get punished by
16 what this Board is about to do.
17 MR. DiFRANCESCO: We do not know if any money
18 has been issued by the bank?
19 MR. PRIEST: We don't.
20 MR. DiFRANCESCO: We can speculate all day
21 long or we can move forward.
22 MR. PRIEST: My recommendation would be that
23 you -- anything that has been applied for you allow
24 it to go through. Allow that homeowner then to
25 make the decision whether he brings a civil suit
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1 against the contractor. That's outside of us.
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Harvey, is there any
3 other permits that were applied for that you know
4 of?
5 MR. HARVEY: I'm attempting to pull up a
6 report right now. I did not research that. I
7 apologize.
8 MR. MONTALTO: So that's not going to happen
9 anyway now that I have the -- all of the banks
10 working along with me, in either having the
11 customers paying the bills directly or the bank
12 paying the bill directly. That issue has already
13 stopped. That's been rectified. Those issues are
14 not going to be around any longer, because I am no
15 longer controlling the funds. I do not want to be
16 in control of the funds. I do not want anyone else
17 in this room in the future.
18 THE CHAIR: Mr. DiFrancesco, would you like to
19 wait for Mr. Harvey to research it or re --
20 MR. DiFRANCESCO: No, sir.
21 THE CHAIR: No, sir.
22 Madam Secretary, we have a motion and a
23 second. Would you please take a voice vote?
24 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
25 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
2 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
3 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
4 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
6 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
7 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
8 MR. LEONARD: Yes, ma'am.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
10 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
11 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
12 MR. PRIEST: No, ma'am.
13 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
14 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
15 MS. JOHNSON: It passed.
16 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
17 On to Case No. 2305-0000040. Is Ms. Laura and
18 Mr. Daniel Dinsmore in the audience?
19 Would you guys like to come up, please?
20 Thank you for being here. Please come up,
21 state your name and address for the record and be
22 sworn in.
23 MR. DINSMORE: Daniel Ronnie Dinsmore.
24 MS. DINSMORE: Laura Elizabeth Dinsmore.
25 MR. DINSMORE: Our current address is
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1 6106 Sunset Boulevard. The house of the property
2 for today is 1625 Easy Street.
3 MS. JOHNSON: Raise your right hand. Do you
4 affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
5 nothing but the truth?
6 MR. DINSMORE: Yes.
7 MS. DINSMORE: Yes, ma'am.
8 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
9 THE CHAIR: Thank you again for being here.
10 MR. DINSMORE: Absolutely. I would like to
11 start with -- first, I can answer some of the
12 questions you have because I -- I'm a Realtor in
13 the area. I was on a team that did some sales for
14 Port St. Lucie Properties. We sat in their model
15 for two-and-a-half years roughly I was there with
16 them. So in regards to that, I can answer
17 questions as far as sales and stuff that you guys
18 have. Mainly, I'm here for my personal home
19 though. We're very upset, we're very frustrated.
20 You know, we trusted someone that we thought was a
21 good business person to take care of our home. We
22 didn't know at the time that anything like this was
23 going to happen. You know, we've got -- on top of
24 $20,000 in liens, we have another $40,000 in unpaid
25 invoices that we're waiting for liens on. We have
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1 roughly another $45,000 of work to complete the
2 home and there's only $40,000 left on the loan.
3 Because of some of the stuff I had a feeling was
4 going to be brought up today, I reached out to some
5 of the subcontractors directly. Everyone that we
6 have invoices with it was provided to Goldwater.
7 And currently PSL Properties has $275,000 of our
8 $325,000 in the loan and they've only paid out
9 about $200,000 for the work that's been done. I
10 have roughly 40 to 50 customers that are going
11 through this as well and, you know, everyone's just
12 upside down, you know, close to $100,000, possibly
13 going into foreclosures on their properties before
14 they even live in them, possibly having to sell it
15 before they get to live in it, just everything
16 under the sun so...
17 Terrible. Terrible situation for everybody
18 and -- yeah, I just wanted to make sure we share
19 our -- even the work that was done we've had to go
20 in -- we've have to -- we have foundation issues,
21 roof issues, mold issues. All of the doors are
22 going to have to be undone and reinstalled. All of
23 the paints has to be sanded off the walls.
24 Literally, everything is just trash that been
25 completed so -- we might even just demolish it and
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1 start over. You know, at this point, we don't know
2 what we're going to do because our permits expire
3 in November. We've taken over as owner/builder but
4 we can't move forward until the liens are settled
5 and we haven't received the funds from Port St.
6 Lucie Properties for the liens even though they
7 were given the money for the work that was done.
8 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Daniel.
9 MR. DINSMORE: So I don't know if you want to
10 say anything to --
11 MS. DINSMORE: I just want to say that he --
12 sorry. He stole our dream. Not just my dream,
13 other people's dreams. He promised us a house.
14 And here we are two years later, I'm having to take
15 up a second job because he's depleted all of our
16 funds. I just -- I'm sorry we have to be here but
17 it is what it is.
18 THE CHAIR: Well, thank you for being here.
19 MR. DINSMORE: Any questions for us?
20 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yeah. At what stage is your
21 house in right now?
22 MR. DINSMORE: Right now we need AC, final
23 grade, sod, trees, plumbing top out. Like I said,
24 the paint's going to have to be redone. The
25 baseboards are installed but none of the caulking
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1 and stuff is done on that. Septic tank, we don't
2 know if it's going to pass the inspection yet,
3 because the people, apparently, weren't paid for
4 the work they did at all. So we're trying to get
5 someone out there to look at that and figure out
6 what's going on with it, but that's the basis of
7 it.
8 MR. DiFRANCESCO: And you said you're going on
9 two years.
10 MR. DINSMORE: We closed November 9th of 2021.
11 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Thank you.
12 MR. DINSMORE: Yes, sir.
13 THE CHAIR: Anybody else on the Board have any
14 questions for --
15 MR. JERGER: One question. The $245,000 he
16 took from the bank, did he provide that services to
17 the -- as far as the house or did you guys have to
18 do more work?
19 MR. DINSMORE: The work has been done. A lot
20 of the contractors have not been paid. And then,
21 like I said, a lot of the work that has been done
22 is subpar, and we're either going to have to have
23 someone come in and fix it or, you know, try and
24 fix it ourselves for what we can just because of
25 the cost of everything and where we are financially
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2 MR. JERGER: So none of that work has been
3 inspected and passed by the County?
4 MR. DINSMORE: Yes.
5 MR. JERGER: It has?
6 MR. DINSMORE: Yes.
7 MR. JERGER: So all the work he's done has
8 been inspected and passed by the County?
9 MR. DINSMORE: There was one that was a
10 partial pass with the silt beds but everything else
11 passed, yes.
12 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Any other further
13 question from the Board?
14 (No response.)
15 Thank you, guys, for being here, I appreciate
16 it.
17 MR. DINSMORE: Can I say one other thing, too?
18 THE CHAIR: Sure.
19 MR. DINSMORE: I don't know if there is any
20 correlation to this, but I just want to make it
21 known. As Brenda mentioned in the public part, his
22 son, Mark Montalto, Jr. is a co-owner or on the
23 license with Port St. Lucie Properties. He has
24 also started MCH Contracting. Land has already
25 been transferred from Port St. Lucie Properties to
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1 MCH contracting on the public records website. So
2 I just want that to be known as well.
3 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Mr. Montalto?
4 Please remember you've been sworn in. Do you
5 have anything to add to Mr. and Mrs. Dinsmore on
6 their home?
7 MR. MONTALTO: Well, as far as I know,
8 everything -- the only thing that hasn't been paid
9 for is his cabinets at this point. We took care
10 of -- well, let me just find my last piece of paper
11 here. I show here that -- for some reason CBC went
12 ahead and put a lien on for the driveway. No
13 reason for a lien to be put on there. Just had a
14 -- again, Goldwater's paying the bills directly.
15 For some reason Mr. Dinsmore will have to tell why
16 the bank and Mr. Dinsmore would not release that
17 draw for some reason so CBC put a lien on there,
18 but it looks like on May 4th that that flat work
19 was paid to them so that lien was released. There
20 was Freedom Portables that I had that is paid, a
21 copy of the check that's here.
22 Mr. Dinsmore says that I received X amount of
23 dollars to build the house. I received $257,000 --
24 $267,000 -- I can't read that -- 267,808, and I
25 paid out $271,184.
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1 Mr. Dinsmore used to work for the Home Team
2 Real Estate as he did tell you. It was our
3 agreement -- a gentlemen's agreement, my stupidity
4 for not making him sign it, I was going to build
5 his house for cost with no -- not making any profit
6 on it as long as he continued selling houses for us
7 and then we just -- like I said, I gentlemen's
8 agreement. I'm the kind of guy to trust everybody,
9 and, obviously, that was the wrong thing to do.
10 Mr. Dinsmore a few months ago came to my
11 office and said he was having issues with the Home
12 Team and he was going to be leaving the Home Team.
13 At that time, I -- when I brought up our agreement
14 with him. He said, Well, you're going to continue
15 to be my preferred home builder. I'm still going
16 to send people your way, blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.
17 After that meeting in my office, I never heard from
18 him again. So -- he did go off shortly after that
19 to Homecrete, I think. That might not be correct
20 but he did go to sit in another model of somebody
21 else and then the next thing I know we're here.
22 THE CHAIR: Gotcha. Any further question from
23 Mr. Montalto with respect to this?
24 MR. MORRIS: So all the liens against
25 Mr. Dinsmore have been paid?
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1 MR. MONTALTO: Have been what?
2 MR. MORRIS: All the liens against
3 Mr. Dinsmore have been paid?
4 MR. MONTALTO: I was found out -- I just heard
5 yesterday that there was a -- I'm not 100 percent
6 sure. Is there a lien from Cabinet Connection?
7 MR. CICIO: There is.
8 MR. MONTALTO: There is. Okay. I just
9 learned about that, but I have -- that's the only
10 one that I'm aware of that was not taken care of
11 yet. But, again, I paid well over from what I took
12 in. 271 from 250 -- 267.
13 MR. MORRIS: So is it Mr. Dinsmore's fault
14 then that he's got a lien against him for the
15 cabinets?
16 MR. MONTALTO: Oh, no, no. It's not his
17 fault. It's absolutely my fault. I'll just --
18 MR. MORRIS: Okay. All right. Thank you.
19 That's all I need to know.
20 MR. MONTALTO: No, it's -- it's all my fault.
21 There's no doubt about it.
22 MR. MORRIS: Thanks.
23 MR. MONTALTO: But I'm a man, and that's why
24 I'm here. If I was going to do the wrong, I would
25 have ran away a year and a half ago.
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1 THE CHAIR: We appreciate you being here.
2 MR. MONTALTO: I'm going to fix everybody's
3 stuff.
4 THE CHAIR: Mr. Neill, question for you.
5 MR. MORRIS: I do not want to work for the
6 general public any more.
7 THE CHAIR: We have four disciplinary cases in
8 front of us. All of them require the action of the
9 Board with respect to Staff's recommendation is to
10 revoke the permitting privileges. We did that on
11 disciplinary case No. 1.
12 MR. NEILL, JR.: So I would be interested in
13 Staff's thought, but I think for technical reasons
14 it's probably best to make the decision on each
15 case even if it's duplicative. You never -- you
16 never know what might happen next. Whether there
17 would be legal proceedings or something and one or
18 more decision might be challenged.
19 So I think if you have four decision or five
20 decisions --
21 THE CHAIR: We have four in front of us.
22 MR. NEILL, JR.: -- it's better. And, you
23 know, you're hearing evidence on each of them --
24 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
25 MR. NEILL, JR.: -- so think it makes sense.
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1 THE CHAIR: I appreciate it, Mr. Neill.
2 Is that Staff's thought process on this going
3 forward as well, Ms. Barbieri?
4 MS. BARBIERI: Assistant County Attorney
5 Katherine Barbieri. Yes, we are asking for an
6 order on each one.
7 THE CHAIR: On each one. Thank you so much.
8 I appreciate that. Thank you for clarifying.
9 I have no further questions. No further
10 questions from the Board. Entertain a motion.
11 MR. MORRIS: I'll enter a motion to revoke the
12 permitting privileges for Mark Montalto and/or Port
13 St. Lucie Properties, Inc. for a term not to exceed
14 365 days, for new permits only. After the
15 revocation period, a written request must be made
16 to the Board to reinstate Mark Montalto and/or Port
17 St. Lucie Properties, Inc. permitting privileges.
18 A copy of the Board's order will be forwarded to
19 the Florida Department of Business and Professional
20 Regulation and the surrounding municipalities.
21 MR. SAMPSON: Second.
22 THE CHAIR: We have a motion. We have a
23 second by Mr. Sampson.
24 Madam Secretary, please take a voice vote.
25 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
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2 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
3 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
4 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
7 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
8 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
10 MR. LEONARD: Yes, ma'am.
11 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
12 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
13 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
14 MR. PRIEST: No, ma'am.
15 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
16 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
17 MS. JOHNSON: It passed.
18 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Madam Secretary. Thank
19 you, Board. Is --
20 MR. MORRIS: Can I just ask a question of
21 Staff?
22 THE CHAIR: Sure.
23 MR. MORRIS: Is there any way we can compel
24 Mr. Montalto to come before the Board every time
25 there's a Board meeting for a progress report on
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1 his action or in action, whatever it's going to be?
2 MS. BARBIERI: Assistant County Attorney
3 Katherine Barbieri. You do have the ability to put
4 on probation, and as part of that probation, you
5 could ask for that. So it may be something you
6 want to consider going on the next one or something
7 like that, is to also put him on probation with
8 monthly -- with Board -- reporting to the Board.
9 MR. MORRIS: Thank you.
10 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Staff. Thank you,
11 Mr. Morris.
12 Next up Case No. 2306-0000043, Russell and
13 Victoria Williams. Is Russell and Victoria
14 Williams here in the audience.
15 Not seeing them coming up.
16 Mr. Montalto, is there anything you would like
17 to add with respect to Russell and
18 Victoria Williams case?
19 MR. MONTALTO: Not at this time, no.
20 THE CHAIR: That is a no?
21 Thank you, sir.
22 MR. MONTALTO: Well, which one did you say?
23 THE CHAIR: This is --
24 MR. MONTALTO: Williams?
25 THE CHAIR: -- Russell and Victoria Williams
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1 on Smallwood Avenue.
2 MR. MONTALTO: As far as I know on this, stand
3 me if I'm corrected, but what -- did they remove
4 the permit? Did they move on to somebody else?
5 I'm not sure. I believe that was the case.
6 MR. HARVEY: 339?
7 MR. MONTALTO: 339 Smallwood Avenue. That's
8 the one we had quite some time with separating lots
9 and it just took forever to get this thing into the
10 building stage and I think he just got upset with
11 that, but that's stuff that's out of my control.
12 THE CHAIR: Officer Cicio, do we have any
13 liens on this property?
14 MR. CICIO: No, sir.
15 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
16 MR. CICIO: Mr. Harvey, the permit number if
17 it's easier -- I don't know if it's easier for you
18 the permit number or the address.
19 MR. HARVEY: I have it right now. Thank you.
20 Mr. Cicio, if you do have that number.
21 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir. 2211-002109.
22 MS. BARBIERI: And Assistant County Attorney
23 Katherine Barbieri. Staff's position on bringing
24 on this one forward and making the argument of the
25 financial injuries that money was taken and nothing
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2 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
3 MS. BARBIERI: Not necessarily that there was
4 a lien.
5 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
6 MR. HARVEY: Mr. Chairman?
7 THE CHAIR: Yes, sir.
8 MR. HARVEY: Doug Harvey, Building Official.
9 The permit that is being discussed right now, 339
10 Smallwood, shows in the system as void. So it was
11 voided out. There is no permit going through the
12 system at this time.
13 THE CHAIR: There is no permit through the
14 system?
15 MR. PRIEST: Is that the property where the
16 County wanted to buy it from him for preservation
17 areas?
18 MR. HARVEY: I do not have that information.
19 Sorry.
20 MR. PRIDE: It's either him or -- there's two
21 lots in that area. One of them was --
22 THE CHAIR: Mr. Cicio, what were the amounts
23 of monies paid to Mr. Montalto with respect to this
24 project?
25 MR. CICIO: I have it as $48,862.30.
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1 MR. MONTALTO: How much?
2 MR. CICIO: $48,862.30.
3 MR. MONTALTO: I show 38,292. Your additional
4 10,000 might have been what -- commissions went to
5 the Realtor, but what went to Port St. Lucie
6 Properties is $38,291.
7 MR. CICIO: Okay.
8 MR. MONTALTO: And we paid out 14,427 at this
9 point to get it to the point of what you just said.
10 MS. WILLIAMS: And, Mr. Chairman and the
11 Board, excuse me, Danielle Williams Code
12 Enforcement Supervisor. According to the permit
13 says it was voided, requested by the owner, due to
14 Port St. Lucie Properties took their money and owe
15 several venders. That's why the property owner
16 voided that permit.
17 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Ms. Williams, I
18 appreciate that. Any of the Board have any
19 questions of Mr. Montalto with respect to this
20 case?
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I have a question for
22 Mr. Harvey. Was that permit ever issued?
23 MR. MONTALTO: I don't believe so.
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So if it was not issued,
25 Mr. Montalto, what work did you do for $38,000?
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1 MR. HARVEY: No, sir.
2 MR. MONTALTO: There was a lot of work that
3 had to be done from EDC with -- I think that had
4 the 100-year storm and all that stuff. Well, I can
5 tell you what it went through. Engineering from
6 Bowden, Bo Hutchinson. We got FP&L we paid out
7 there to -- they wanted to set up temporary power
8 out there. St. Lucie County Health Department,
9 Treasure Coast Environmental for the turtle surveys
10 and all that good stuff, regular surveyors, drawing
11 storm water plans, drawing of the blue prints, AC
12 counts, permit tax, things like that, basic work.
13 I mean, we were submitted in there. I just ran
14 to -- I think that one had to have the 100-year
15 storm, which took forever to get that done.
16 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Thank you.
17 MR. HARVEY: I have no further questions.
18 Anybody else have any further questions?
19 (No response.)
20 Seeing none I'll entertain a motion.
21 MR. MORRIS: I'll motion. To revoke the
22 permitting privileges for Mark Montalto and/or Port
23 St. Lucie Properties, Inc. for a term not to exceed
24 365 days for new permits only. After the
25 revocation period, a written request must be made
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1 to the Board to reinstate Mr. Montalto and/or Port
2 St. Lucie Properties, Inc. permitting privileges.
3 A copy of the Board's order will be forward to the
4 Florida Department of Business and Professional
5 Regulation and the surrounding municipalities.
6 THE CHAIR: We have a motion. Do we have
7 second?
8 MR. JERGER: I'll second it.
9 THE CHAIR: Second by Mr. Jerger. Any
10 discussion?
11 Madam Secretary, please call the voice vote.
12 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
13 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
14 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
15 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
16 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
17 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
18 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
19 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
21 MR. LEONARD: Yes, ma'am.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
23 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
25 MR. PRIEST: No, ma'am.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
2 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
3 THE CHAIR: Up next we have Case No.
4 2306-0000044. Mr. Peavy, is Joseph Peavy here in
5 the audience?
6 I do not see Mr. Peavy here in the audience.
7 This is being brought in front of us for
8 violation, valid liens on the property, not against
9 monies not being done?
10 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir. The house is finaled on
11 this one, but there is a lien that was filed after
12 the fact.
13 THE CHAIR: The house is finaled?
14 MR. CICIO: Yes.
15 THE CHAIR: And the lien is in the value of
16 what dollar amount?
17 MR. CICIO: It's T -- Jetson TV & Appliance
18 Center in the amount of $7,870.84.
19 THE CHAIR: Mr. Montalto, can you come up to
20 the podium, please?
21 With respect to the lien that it says here for
22 Jetson. This home is final and you did finish this
23 home. Did you pay Jetson's the final monies on
24 this?
25 MR. MONTALTO: No. There was a couple, which
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1 I don't think you have -- you're aware of. It
2 might have just been NTOs for Freedom Portal, but
3 that's been taken care of. Jetson's and I --
4 there's a few houses that I still owe them for, but
5 Gail and I have been in conversations as much as --
6 as early as yesterday, but as soon as the model
7 home closes on the 8th, she's aware of that --
8 well, the 8th -- no, I mean, the 4th -- probably
9 around the 8th when I get the wire depending on
10 what time of the day that the actual closing is,
11 and that's when all of their -- I think there's
12 four houses left I have to pay for Jetson's but --
13 THE CHAIR: And this is one of them?
14 MR. MONTALTO: Yeah.
15 THE CHAIR: You have all intentions of
16 clearing up this lien?
17 MR. MONTALTO: Absolutely.
18 THE CHAIR: Is there anything else that's
19 outstanding on this property --
20 MR. MONTALTO: Not that I'm aware of.
21 THE CHAIR: -- Mr. Cicio?
22 MR. CICIO: No, sir.
23 MR. MONTALTO: You had -- we just had the NTO
24 for Freedom Portables, but that's been taken care
25 of.
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1 THE CHAIR: I have no further questions.
2 MR. MORRIS: I just have one. I'm sorry. So
3 you have to wait until the house is closed before
4 you can satisfy the $7,000 lien?
5 MR. MONTALTO: That is correct. I don't have
6 extra funds in my company any longer. That will be
7 my capital I had to utilize when the cash flows
8 were getting to slow for us. So I have the
9 agreements -- or the arrangements with anybody I
10 owe money when they're going to get taken care of.
11 I have -- I said earlier we have the model home
12 closing on the 4th of August and the one down the
13 street here on Bamboo is closing on the 18th. Each
14 one is about $100,000 worth of profit on it, and I
15 have a few other ones that are hopefully going to
16 close here within the next three or four months and
17 start taking care of Mr. Kelewski's -- one of my
18 first people, to take care of the liens.
19 MR. MORRIS: Okay. Thank you.
20 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr. Morris. Seeing no
21 further questions. I'll entertain a motion.
22 MR. MORRIS: I'll enter a motion. To revoke
23 the permitting privileges as recommended by Staff
24 to Mark Montalto and/or Port St. Lucie Properties,
25 Inc. for a term not to exceed 365 days for new
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2 written request must be made to the Board to
3 reinstate Mark Montalto and/or Port St. Lucie
4 Properties, Inc. permitting privileges. A copy of
5 the Board's order will be forward to the Florida
6 Department of Business and Professional Regulation
7 and the surrounding municipalities.
8 THE CHAIR: We have a motion by Mr. Morris.
9 MR. SAMPSON: Second.
10 THE CHAIR: Second by Mr. Sampson.
11 Madam Secretary, please take a voice vote.
12 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
13 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
14 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
15 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
16 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
17 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
18 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
19 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
21 MR. LEONARD: Yes, ma'am.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
23 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
25 MR. PRIEST: No, ma'am.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
2 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
3 THE CHAIR: Mr. Montalto, thank you for being
4 hear today. I hope you are a man of your word
5 saying you're going to clean or clear these up and
6 get these project completed and pray I never see
7 you again in front of this Board, as I'm sure you
8 do -- feel the same way.
9 MR. MONTALTO: Absolutely.
10 THE CHAIR: Thank you for being here.
11 MR. MONTALTO: Thank you.
12 THE CHAIR: Mr. Cicio.
13 MR. CICIO: The next case I'll read into the
14 record is Case No. Code 2303-0000037, the address
15 of 1100 Hartman Road in Fort Pierce.
16 For the record, I'm submitting the following
17 documents as evidence: Twenty-four photos taken by
18 me; seventeen taken on December 19th of 2022, two
19 taken on February 7th of 2023, and five taken on
20 March 13th of 2023 during an on-site inspection at
21 the property address of 1100 Hartman Road in
22 Fort Pierce.
23 I am submitting two photos that were provided
24 by Mr. Fisher that were included in his complaint
25 affidavit of the pool during reconstruction. I'm
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1 submitting a copy of a Notice to Appear for the
2 May 17th, 2023 Contractor Licensing Board with
3 proof of posted service. The Notice to Appear was
4 posted at the business location of A&J Custom
5 Pools, LLC on April 12th of 2023. This address is
6 both used in Sunbiz, both as a mailing address of
7 the principal and registered agent, and it's also
8 used in the Florida Department of Business and
9 Professional Regulation.
10 I'm submitting an email received on April
11 26th, 2023 from the Law Offices of Fee, Yates & Fee
12 showing that the business owners of A&J Custom
13 Pools, Keith and Hannah Becker retained an attorney
14 and requested a continuance from the May 17th, 2023
15 Contractor Licensing Board meeting. Further
16 correspondence included is a Notice of Withdrawal
17 from the Law Office of Fee, Yates & Fee dated
18 June 15th of 2023. In this letter of withdrawal,
19 Attorney Clayton Yates did write that the business
20 owners were advised of the new Contractor Licensing
21 Board date of July 19th of 2023.
22 I'm submitting Division of Corporations and
23 contractor licensing and Workers' Compensation
24 exemption information for A&J Custom Pools, LLC.
25 I'm submitting a copy of a Compliant Affidavit
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1 filed by the property owners of 1100 Hartman Road
2 on December 28th of 2022 against A&J Custom Pools,
3 LLC. Included is a letter from engineer
4 Sidney Kovner dated February 10th of 2023. Another
5 letter from engineer Sidney Kovner dated February
6 14th of 2023. An invoice from El-Sid Engineering,
7 Inc. and a request for Complaint Affidavit
8 withdrawal submitted by Mr. Fisher on February 24th
9 of 2023. I'm submitting a copy of a new Complaint
10 Affidavit filed by Mr. and Mrs. Fisher on March
11 15th of 2023 against the business of A&J Custom
12 Pools.
13 The basis on this complaint is that their pool
14 was completely reconstructed without a permit.
15 Exhibit submitted with the Complaint Affidavit are:
16 Exhibit A, a contract between A&J Custom
17 Pools, LLC and Mr. Fisher for a complete pool
18 reconstruction for the amount of $53,500, which was
19 paid fully in cash. Two invoices from Red Rhino
20 Pool Services, including pressure test and pool
21 leak repair.
22 Exhibit B, printout of Permit 1105-0287 for a
23 demolition of an in ground swimming pool at
24 1100 Hartman Road in Fort Pierce, to be drained and
25 relief holes cut into the bottom for water
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1 drainage. This permit was finaled on May 31st of
2 2021.
3 Exhibit C, pictures taken by Mr. Fisher
4 showing the excavation and reconstruction of the
5 pool, along with text messages between himself and
6 Mr. Keith Becker.
7 Exhibit D, building permit application
8 submitted by Hannah Becker on February 15th of 2023
9 for a residential pool under Permit No.
10 POOLR-2303-000165. This permit was issued on April
11 25th of 2023, along with sub-permits, plumbing
12 Permit 2302-001213, electrical Permit 2302-001742,
13 and a vegetation removal permit. Permit card and
14 inspection history report showing no inspection
15 performed to date. Construction plans drafted by
16 El-Sid Engineering.
17 Exhibit E, a complete application submitted by
18 Ms. Becker to the Florida Department of Business
19 and Professional Regulation on February 13th of
20 2021. Division of Corporations information and
21 Department of Business and Professional Regulation
22 on Atlas Swimming Pools, Inc. and El-Sid
23 Engineering Corp.
24 Exhibit F is a Subpoena and Affidavit of
25 Service for Sidney Kovner with El-Sid Engineering
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1 Corp to appear before this Board. On December 28th
2 of 2022, a Complaint Affidavit was filed by Mr.
3 Harold Fisher against A&J Custom Pools, LLC,
4 Hannah E. Becker and Keith Beck, Jr. for work
5 performed at the address of 1100 Hartman Road in
6 Fort Pierce, Florida.
7 Mr. Becker identified by Florida driver's
8 license was notified of this complaint on February
9 8th of 2023 during an in-person meeting. A copy of
10 the case package was presented to Mr. Becker for
11 his records. Mr. Becker immediately claimed that
12 all he did was a pool repair. He further claimed
13 that he may have received $20,000 in cash with some
14 paid by checks as a cost of this claim repair.
15 Mr. Becker had no reasonable response why the
16 property owner claimed that he was paid over
17 $53,000 in cash, as shown in the contract.
18 Mr. Becker did claim that his employees did most of
19 the work. He claimed that he has two employees,
20 besides himself and his spouse Hannah Becker. No
21 Work Comp -- no Workers' Compensation coverage was
22 found so a referral was submitted to the Florida
23 Department of Financial Services, Bureau of
24 Compliance, Division of Workers' Compensation.
25 Mr. Beck was advised to start making this
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1 right with the property owner by obtaining a permit
2 and calling in for all required inspections.
3 Mr. Becker asked if an engineering letter would be
4 sufficient for approval. He was directed to speak
5 to the Chief Building Inspector, Assistant Building
6 Official and Building Official.
7 Mr. Becker also stated that a footer had not
8 been poured for attachment of the pool screen
9 enclosure. He stated that it's only affixed to
10 travertine tiles.
11 During my investigation, the pool screen
12 enclosure was found to be permitted under Permit
13 No. BLDR2210-002049 issued on November 16th of 2022
14 to S&S Development, Mr. Andrew Sandner. The permit
15 was failed on initial inspection due to no permit
16 paperwork being on site for inspection.
17 An engineer letter dated February 10th of 2023
18 from El-Sid Engineering Acknowledges that a footer
19 was not in place and presented a detail calling for
20 an 8 inch by 8 inch footer. An engineer letter
21 from El-Sid Engineering dated February 14th of 2023
22 was received stating that engineer Sidney Kovner
23 inspected and approved the construction of the
24 footer for the screen enclosure. This footer was
25 constructed without a permit as the pool permit was
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1 not issued until April 25th of 2023.
2 Mr. and Mrs. Fisher were charged an additional
3 $1,000 for construction of the footer, which was
4 paid. According to Mr. Fisher, and he will present
5 testimony, Mr. Becker agreed to install the footer
6 if Mr. Fisher withdrew his original complaint with
7 St. Lucie County's Contractor Licensing Department.
8 This is, again, the reasoning for Mr. Fisher's
9 letter of withdrawal dated on February 14th of
10 2023.
11 Mr. Fisher filed a second Complaint on March
12 15th of 2023 due to inactivity and no communication
13 from Mr. and Mrs. Becker. To date, A&J Custom
14 Pools, LLC has not requested an -- any inspections
15 and has ceased communications fully with Mr. and
16 Mrs. Fisher.
17 As a result of my investigation, it was found
18 that A&J Custom Pools violated under prohibited
19 activities St. Lucie County Code 10-26(9), Commit
20 any fraudulent act as a contractor as a result of
21 which another is financially injured.
22 St. Lucie County Code 10-26 No. 12, Commence
23 or perform work for which a county building permit
24 is required without obtaining an appropriate
25 permit.
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1 Under revocation or suspension of Certificate
2 of Competency: Under St. Lucie County Code
3 10-67(3), Disregards and violates any applicable
4 state or local building code, regulation or law.
5 St. Lucie County Code 10-67(10), Commits fraud
6 or deceit or other misconduct in the practice of
7 contracting.
8 And St. Lucie County Code 10-67(11), Proceeds
9 on any construction job without first obtaining and
10 posting the required permits including but not
11 limited to building permits and environmental
12 regulations permits for and -- sorry -- and
13 scheduling required inspections.
14 Hannah Elaine Barker Becker is an active State
15 licensed residential pool contractor, License No.
16 CPC1459587, which was effective on March 8th of
17 2021. Ms. Becker did register with St. Lucie
18 County on April 5th of 2021 and obtained a
19 St. Lucie County license number of 32304.
20 Based on the facts of this case, Staff is
21 recommending that the Board, Number 1, suspend
22 privileges for permitting for Hannah Elaine Barker
23 Becker, A&J Custom Pools, LLC for a period not to
24 exceed a period of 365 days. This does not include
25 currently issued permits.
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1 Number 2, require that a written request be
2 made to the Board to reinstate A&J Custom Pools,
3 LLC, Hannah Becker's privileges for permitting
4 after a one-year suspension.
5 Staff is also recommending to the Board that
6 the Board's order be forwarded to the Florida
7 Department of Business and Professional Regulation,
8 DBPR, and surrounding municipalities.
9 THE CHAIR: Officer Cicio, thank you.
10 We also in our packet received the
11 disciplinary case against Performance Automotive
12 doing business as S&S Development on the same
13 property.
14 MR. CICIO: That is correct.
15 THE CHAIR: And this disciplinary case we will
16 hear after --
17 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir. S&S Development just a
18 brief, without getting into the case, is the actual
19 contactor who pulled the permit for the pool
20 screen.
21 THE CHAIR: Got it. Thank you. I appreciate
22 that. Thank you for clarifying.
23 Is Mr. and Mrs. Fisher here? Mr. and
24 Mrs. Fisher, thank you for patiently waiting. If
25 you would like to come up to the podium. Please be
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1 sworn in.
2 Mr. Fisher, you can speak by yourself. It's
3 up to you and -- I've been married for 23 years so
4 choose wisely.
5 MRS. FISHER: I can stand.
6 MR. CICIO: You're okay.
7 MRS. FISHER: Yeah, I'm okay. I don't want to
8 say anything if I don't have to. I can stand up.
9 I'm good.
10 THE CHAIR: Ms. Fisher -- Mrs. Fisher, if you
11 allow your husband to speak, it's totally fine. If
12 not, good luck. If you guys could both be sworn in
13 if you guys are both going to speak, please.
14 MS. JOHNSON: State your name for the record.
15 MR. FISHER: Harold Fisher.
16 MRS. FISHER: Catherine Fisher.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
18 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
19 MR. FISHER: I do.
20 MRS. FISHER: I do.
21 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
22 THE CHAIR: And your address is --
23 MR. FISHER: Oh. 1100 Hartman Road,
24 Fort Pierce, 34947.
25 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
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1 THE CHAIR: Thank you. And if you could just
2 speak into the mic a little bit for the secretary
3 that would be great.
4 Thank you guys for being here. Thank you for
5 patiently waiting.
6 MR. FISHER: Yes. When he started that a year
7 and a half ago, he insisted on cash. So we paid
8 him cash each stage. But when he got up to a
9 point, I never could get ahold of him, text him,
10 call him. He didn't come back and fix what was
11 wrong. And I understand there's some more things
12 wrong. And we were told in the beginning that we
13 didn't need a permit. We hired a contractor,
14 figured they knew what they were doing.
15 Do you want to add anything?
16 MRS. FISHER: Yeah.
17 MR. FISHER: Go ahead.
18 MRS. FISHER: We -- when we -- when we first
19 spoke with him, I -- my first question was -- this
20 was new to us. We just moved down here from up --
21 up in New York, Pennsylvania. If we needed a
22 permit to have -- the pool was already there. So
23 it had to be re-dug out. The people that owned the
24 house closed the pool up completely. There was no
25 wiring, no plumbing, no nothing. So we wanted to
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1 bring the pool back to live so we could use it. So
2 the pool had grass in it, the whole pool. When we
3 spoke -- when we first spoke to him, I had asked
4 about a building permit, and he says, No, you don't
5 need -- we don't need a building permit, he says,
6 because the pool is already there. And, you know,
7 we didn't know any better. So we contracted with
8 him because he was going to do exactly what we had
9 asked him to do, but he did not do what we asked
10 him to do, and now we have found out that there was
11 no permit and there are other things wrong. With
12 the inspector coming out, there are other things
13 wrong that have to be fixed and they were due to
14 him not doing it correctly.
15 MR. FISHER: For the pool.
16 THE CHAIR: And your -- your only interaction
17 was with Keith Baker. You never spoke with
18 Hannah Baker?
19 MRS. FISHER: We called him several times, we
20 left message. His wife came out, Hannah, and she
21 said that -- you know, everything would be taken
22 care of and that the -- he had also said that he
23 would put a child protective buzzer on the pool or
24 whatever they put, security. That was never put on
25 at all. She stated that it would be put on. It
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1 was never done. But as we called him and tried to
2 speak with him and leave messages, he would --
3 first of all, he would never answer us. Then there
4 was always a message, Well, I'll get back to you on
5 Monday, if we called on a Tuesday. We'd wait until
6 Monday, we wait until the following Tuesday and
7 Wednesday and he wouldn't even respond. And then
8 finally he just cut us off completely. He blocked
9 our number. He blocked our texts. He blocked
10 everything. So we've made no contact with him.
11 None at all.
12 MR. FISHER: Since about 5, 6 months.
13 MRS. FISHER: Yeah.
14 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Anybody on the Board
15 have any questions for Mr. or Mrs. Fisher.
16 MR. JERGER: So when you guys --
17 MRS. FISHER: So we did tell him that -- when
18 we -- when he was working on the pool we needed
19 footing in for the bird cage to cover over and that
20 was supposed to -- that was never taken care of
21 until we had to have somebody come out. They
22 inspected it and found out after the bird cage was
23 put up there was no footing.
24 So then we had to have footing put in and he
25 had had someone come to look at it and he told us
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2 THE CHAIR: He meaning?
3 MRS. FISHER: Pardon?
4 MR. FISHER: Mr. Becker.
5 THE CHAIR: Okay.
6 MRS. FISHER: Keith.
7 THE CHAIR: Keith. Now, was that 53,500
8 inclusive of the footer.
9 MR. FISHER: Not for the footer.
10 THE CHAIR: Not for the footer. Okay.
11 MR. FISHER: For the whole pool.
12 THE CHAIR: For everything?
13 MR. FISHER: Yeah.
14 THE CHAIR: Not including the footer? Did he
15 charge you extra for the footer?
16 MR. FISHER: Yeah.
17 MRS. FISHER: Yes.
18 THE CHAIR: How much was the footer?
19 MRS. FISHER: He charged 750.
20 MR. FISHER: Plus we had to pay --
21 MRS. FISHER: Plus we had to pay the -- his
22 inspector that came out, $2,000 upfront.
23 MR. FISHER: Engineer.
24 THE CHAIR: Was that by a -- paid by a check
25 or by cash?
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1 MRS. FISHER: I paid him by cash but the --
2 MR. FISHER: We got a receipt.
3 MRS. FISHER: The man that we paid -- he
4 signed the paper right away saying we paid him the
5 2,000 upfront.
6 MR. JERGER: With the 53,000, did you get --
7 MRS. FISHER: The 750 was not paid because --
8 MR. JERGER: Did you a receipt from them with
9 the 53,000?
10 MRS. FISHER: -- Keith said -- we said he
11 didn't have the 750 but we wanted a -- you know,
12 hurricane season was coming, and he said, That's
13 okay. Just pay me when you can. I'm not going to
14 bother you for the money. He says, Pay me when you
15 can get it. And we said, Okay. So we still do owe
16 him the 750, but the 2,000 was paid upfront.
17 MR. JERGER: With the 53,000, do you have a
18 receipt that you paid him for that with him signing
19 it?
20 MR. FISHER: Yeah.
21 THE CHAIR: Yeah, it's the way it's broken
22 down on the paperwork. Thank you.
23 Officer Cicio, the -- Keith is obviously the
24 husband of the license holder Hannah.
25 MR. CICIO: Correct. He's a managing member
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2 Mrs. Hannah Becker.
3 THE CHAIR: Is Keith Becker here?
4 MRS. FISHER: Yeah, but where's the paper for
5 the 2,000.
6 MR. FISHER: The what?
7 MR. CICIO: No, sir, I don't see him.
8 THE CHAIR: Is Hannah Becker here?
9 MR. CICIO: I have never met her, but I don't
10 see her in the audience either.
11 THE CHAIR: Is Ms. Sidney Kovner here?
12 MRS. FISHER: Yes, he is.
13 THE CHAIR: Mr. Sidney. You're the engineer?
14 MR. KOVNER: Yes.
15 THE CHAIR: Mr. Sidney, would you please come
16 up to the podium and be sworn in?
17 Thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Fisher. Thank you.
18 MRS. FISHER: Okay. Thank you.
19 THE CHAIR: No, I don't -- I don't see
20 anything in front of me for Mr. Sidney Kovner,
21 correct?
22 MR. CICIO: No, sir.
23 THE CHAIR: Thank you. He's the engineer.
24 Mr. Sidney, please be sworn in. State your
25 name and address for the record.
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1 MR. KOVNER: Sidney Kovner.
2 MS. JOHNSON: What's your address?
3 MR. KOVNER: 139 Isle Verde Way, Palm Beach
4 Gardens, Florida 33418.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Raise your right hand.
6 Do you affirm to tell the truth, the whole
7 truth, and nothing but the truth?
8 MR. KOVNER: Yes.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
10 THE CHAIR: Thank you for being here. You are
11 the engineer on record on this property?
12 MR. KOVNER: Yes.
13 THE CHAIR: You brought out after the pool
14 enclosure was installed to determine how to install
15 the footer; is that correct?
16 MR. KOVNER: Yes.
17 THE CHAIR: And based on your determination,
18 what we have in front of us that was your
19 recommendation?
20 MR. KOVNER: Absolutely yes.
21 THE CHAIR: Okay.
22 MR. KOVNER: You had a footer that -- a screen
23 enclosure was constructed on a paver patio with no
24 footer underneath so I drew up the plans for a
25 footer and made the inspection. I was paid and
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1 that was the proper to do. Posthaste because if a
2 hurricane or something occurred the whole screen
3 would blow away.
4 THE CHAIR: I agree. Are you the engineer of
5 record for A&G [verbatim] Custom Pools,
6 Hannah Becker, on multiple projects, other than
7 this one?
8 MR. KOVNER: I've done other work for them,
9 yes.
10 THE CHAIR: Is it common practice for them to
11 install a screen enclosure and a patio without a
12 footer?
13 MR. KOVNER: Never.
14 THE CHAIR: Okay.
15 MR. KOVNER: Wait. Excuse me. Say that
16 question again.
17 THE CHAIR: Is it common practice for them to
18 install a screen enclosure and a deck without a
19 footer? Have you seen this before from that
20 client?
21 MR. KOVNER: Never.
22 THE CHAIR: Okay. Thank you. And you
23 inspected this after the work was performed?
24 MR. KOVNER: For the footer?
25 THE CHAIR: Uh-huh.
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1 MR. KOVNER: The footer was dug and formed and
2 the steel was in the footer, and I inspected the
3 steel and footer per the plans that I drew, yes.
4 THE CHAIR: Perfect. Thank you.
5 Ms. Barbieri?
6 MS. BARBIERI: If I may ask the witness a
7 couple of questions?
8 THE CHAIR: Sure.
9 MS. BARBIERI: You're familiar with the
10 Beckers, I believe, and Ms. Hannah Becker; is that
11 correct?
12 MR. KOVNER: I can't understand you.
13 MS. BARBIERI: Are you familiar with the
14 qualifier of A&J Custom Pools?
15 MR. KOVNER: Hannah Becker. I know of her,
16 yes.
17 MS. BARBIERI: And have you -- were you
18 involved in her obtaining her license?
19 MR. KOVNER: I wrote a letter of
20 recommendation for her experience.
21 MS. BARBIERI: And what was her experience?
22 MR. KOVNER: I'm not really sure.
23 MS. BARBIERI: You don't remember right now?
24 MR. KOVNER: I believe that -- I have the
25 letter here, I think.
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1 MS. BARBIERI: I did as you to bring whatever
2 documents you had.
3 MR. KOVNER: Let me look. Fire Department.
4 Re: Becker. January 16th. Supervision and
5 construction, installation. No, I just have a
6 letter for the final inspection of the pool.
7 THE CHAIR: Mr. Kovner, Ms. Barbieri is asking
8 if you brought the letter that you wrote for the --
9 MR. KOVNER: I'm looking for that now.
10 THE CHAIR: Okay.
11 MR. KOVNER: Okay. This is the letter here.
12 Yes, I have it.
13 MS. BARBIERI: And if you can tell me what her
14 exper -- her -- what you based the letter of
15 recommendation on, please.
16 MR. KOVNER: Okay. Department of Business and
17 Professional Regulation, Care Agent,
18 Eduardo Garcia. With Complaint No. 2021015522.
19 Please see enclosed letter of experience for one
20 Becker, 4911 Jorgensen Road, Fort Pierce, Florida.
21 Becker is Keith Junior Becker and Hannah Elaine
22 Becker -- Hannah Elaine Barker Becker. Husband and
23 wife married about 7 years. Keith Junior Becker,
24 herein referred to as Junior, engaged for many
25 years as a subcontractor, albeit without a
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1 subcontractor's license for variance (sic) license
2 swimming pool contractors, including Atlas Swimming
3 Pools, see enclosed letter of experience, and among
4 others, Family Pools, in Port St. Lucie Florida.
5 Junior constructed and supervised all phases of
6 swimming pool construction for Family Pools and in
7 addition to personal pool contracts for which
8 Family Pools qualified and obtained permits for.
9 As El-Sid Engineering, I drew engineering plans for
10 Family Pools and Junior personal pools, permit
11 qualified by Family Pools. Junior understanding of
12 engineering plans is already stated in the enclosed
13 letter.
14 Additionally, El-Sid Engineering was required
15 for various reasons on several occasions to make
16 inspections on weekends on the work performed and I
17 observed Junior working and Hannah watching and
18 helping the construction, and one or two occasions
19 even observed Hannah in the hole tying resteel with
20 a twister. At one point, Junior and Hannah Elaine
21 Barker Becker, herein referred to as Hannah,
22 together decided to become a legitimate pool
23 contractor in the State of Florida. I it is my
24 opinion as El-Sid Engineering that Han -- Junior
25 and Hannah should be given any benefit of the doubt
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1 in the effects to be a legitimate pool contractor
2 with Junior working the physical construction and
3 Hannah working the financial portion of their
4 together new business.
5 In addition, as El-Sid Engineering, I believe
6 Junior and Hannah as A&J Custom Pools, LLC has been
7 falsely accused and maligned by one Tim Gilmore who
8 I think, to my person knowledge, has no
9 contractor's or subcontractor's license, and who
10 does indeed working in the pool construction as a
11 subcontractor and subcontractor's helper. Said
12 subcontractor without proper license. On a cash
13 basis with benefit --
14 MS. BARBIERI: Thank you this -- yeah, I was
15 just asking for Hannah Becker's experience, because
16 she's the qualifier here. It sounds like that was
17 mostly for Mr. Keith Becker. We had previously
18 asked for documents and received none, but we will
19 ask for a copy of this from him.
20 THE CHAIR: Perfect. Thank you.
21 MS. BARBIERI: Thank you.
22 THE CHAIR: Any further questions,
23 Ms. Barbieri?
24 MS. BARBIERI: No, thank you.
25 MR. KOVNER: What do you want?
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1 MS. WILLIAMS: A copy of the --
2 THE CHAIR: Mr. Doug Harvey patiently waiting
3 over there.
4 MR. HARVEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I
5 may ask the engineer a question or two?
6 THE CHAIR: You absolutely may.
7 MR. HARVEY: I appreciate that. Thank you.
8 Doug Harvey, Building Official.
9 I have a letter in the file that states that
10 you performed inspections on this, on the pool, the
11 piping, the electrical, and you signed off as all
12 being code compliant; is that correct?
13 MR. KOVNER: Yes.
14 MR. HARVEY: Can you tell me where the bonding
15 location for the screen enclosure is located? I
16 was unable to find one when I was on the site.
17 MR. KOVNER: The screen enclosure was already
18 existing.
19 MR. HARVEY: The pool was considered a redone
20 pool. It has to comply with the codes --
21 MR. KOVNER: But the pool --
22 MR. HARVEY: -- in effect.
23 MR. KOVNER: But the screen enclosure was
24 existing from the original construction.
25 MR. HARVEY: Okay. Was the screen enclosure
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2 MR. KOVNER: I wasn't present for the original
3 construction.
4 MR. HARVEY: But you did confirm in your
5 letter that you were inspecting the bonding of and
6 around the pool.
7 MR. KOVNER: I can't recall that. I believe I
8 saw the bond as -- the ground wire to the pump at
9 the pool equipment.
10 MR. HARVEY: I do have a picture.
11 Danielle, if you could go back to the picture
12 that you have of the pool pump. I don't know if
13 you have my pictures in there.
14 When I was on site, I took a look at the pool
15 pump, and I do have a picture of it.
16 MR. KOVNER: Wait. Time out. I have some
17 pictures here of the equipotential bonding grid
18 around the pool and the bond from the pool steel to
19 the equipotential bonding grid.
20 MR. HARVEY: I -- did you also verify that the
21 rails, the ladder rails were bonded?
22 MR. KOVNER: Let me see if I have a picture.
23 The ladder -- the ladder and handrails were
24 existing from the original pool.
25 MR. HARVEY: Are they bonded, sir.
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1 MR. KOVNER: I have no idea. That was
2 permitted with the original pool.
3 MR. HARVEY: But this pool was reestablished.
4 The pool was decommissioned and what we have now is
5 a new pool. I'm concerned with the life safety
6 around the pool.
7 MR. KOVNER: I believe that the pool was
8 filled with dirt -- the pool was constructed
9 originally under another permit that had nothing to
10 do with me years ago. It was filled with dirt,
11 which makes it an un-pool, and then the dirt was
12 dug out, which makes it a new pool. All of that
13 has nothing to do with me.
14 MR. HARVEY: Okay. The statement you just
15 made, that makes it a new pool.
16 MR. KOVNER: I -- I personally disagree with
17 that. The permit was for the pool, whether it was
18 filled with sand and decommissioned or the sand is
19 dug out and filled with water, the original pool is
20 built under permit and finaled as a complete pool.
21 That's what the original permit did. All --
22 everything existing with bonding, ladders,
23 handrails, screen enclosure were approved under the
24 original permit. So I'm not privy to the original
25 permit. That's Port St. Lucie, it was finaled, and
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1 that was it.
2 All that was done, was the dirt was filled in
3 and then dug out. That has nothing to do with the
4 orig -- that has no affect on any bonding or any
5 construction on the original permit. You're just
6 replacing -- you replaced water with sand and then
7 you replaced sand with water. The only thing new
8 was that footer for the screen enclosure.
9 MR. HARVEY: Okay. So you did not verify any
10 of the bonding, or verify that the rails were
11 bonded, or any of the metal windows within five
12 feet of the pool, per National Electrical Code
13 Section 680.26?
14 MR. KOVNER: All of this was existing and had
15 nothing to do with me.
16 MR. HARVEY: Was the pool pump existing?
17 MR. KOVNER: I believe that was new. They put
18 in new equipment.
19 MR. HARVEY: Did you verify a bond wire from
20 the bonding grid to the pool pump?
21 MR. KOVNER: I believe I saw a bond to -- a
22 ground wire to the pool pump, yes.
23 MR. HARVEY: A ground wire or a bond wire,
24 sir?
25 MR. KOVNER: The pool one that's connected to
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1 the pump is the ground wire.
2 MR. HARVEY: That's in the electrical circuit.
3 The bonding conductor is a different conductor. I
4 have a picture that shows the electrical connection
5 going into the pump and it shows the bonding
6 connection with no conductor inside of it.
7 MR. KOVNER: I thought I had a picture.
8 MR. HARVEY: Mr. Chairman, I do apologize, but
9 I do have a concern about the safety around the
10 pool, and I hope you can understand the --
11 MR. KOVNER: Can you show me?
12 MR. HARVEY: -- the concern.
13 THE CHAIR: Absolutely, Mr. Harvey. This is
14 my scope of work that I do every day, day in and
15 day out. You have to have a continuous bond wire
16 around the swimming pool. It must be connected at
17 four equal points, and it must be also connected
18 back to the pool pump, as I'm sure Mr. Pride, as a
19 licensed electrician, would agree. And any railing
20 that has -- within the water has to be bonded as
21 well, as well as any window within 5 feet.
22 MR. HARVEY: Mr. Chairman, Board members, this
23 is -- this is a picture that I took during a visit
24 to the property. And I apologize I don't recall
25 the exact date. I'm sure Mr. Cicio has it in his
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1 records. This is the pool pump and you can see the
2 electrical connection going to it, and then there
3 is a bond wire connection, which is located right
4 next to that. The electrical lug that is sitting
5 there and you can see there is no bond wire on the
6 pool pump. The engineer has stated that he
7 performed the inspection and that he was signing
8 off on the building, the electrical, the plumbing.
9 There were a number of questions that came up --
10 And Danielle, there's another one in there
11 that shows the heater right up against the
12 building, if you could pull that one up, please.
13 Right there. Actually, there -- go one more,
14 please.
15 I believe in the manufacturer's specifications
16 this heater requires a minimum of 12 inches of
17 clearance for circulation of air in order to
18 operate efficiently, and it does not appear to be
19 properly installed. That begins to create
20 questions as to what was actually inspected, what
21 was looked at. Again, I could not find any type of
22 a bonding to this screen enclosure. There were a
23 couple of pictures that were provided to us that
24 showed a copper conducted being placed in the
25 ground in order to create a equipotential bonding
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1 grid around the pool. But if you did that, there
2 should have been a connection coming off of that
3 bonding grid going to the screen enclosure and --
4 THE CHAIR: As well as the equipment.
5 MR. HARVEY: -- I was unable to locate that as
6 well.
7 THE CHAIR: As well as the equipment, yes,
8 sir. There's also the heater that was not bonded.
9 There were a number of questions that came up on it
10 in regard to bonding primarily. Then there's also
11 a requirement in the electrical code for a
12 receptacle to be located a minimum of 6 feet from a
13 pool but no more than 20 feet from a pool, and that
14 is to allow an accessory to be used in the vicinity
15 of the pool but keep it far enough away that it
16 would be safe. The only receptacle I was able to
17 find is actually located outside of the screen
18 enclosure, and the electrical code specifically
19 says without passing through doors, windows or
20 other obstructions. So I believe that we have a
21 violation with that as well.
22 There appears to be a violation of the Land
23 Development Code, Section 8.00.05, on the fence
24 that surrounds the property. St. Lucie County Land
25 Development Code requires an additional barrier of
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2 located in there are required to be self-closing,
3 self-latching.
4 Danielle, if you could go to the picture of --
5 I think it's the last picture in the file.
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Harvey?
7 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir.
8 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I have a quick question. So
9 what you're -- what you're basically saying is that
10 as with a remodel on a home everything has to be
11 brought up to code. The gentleman -- the engineer
12 has stated that the pool was there before he got
13 there. Okay. We all know that. That's
14 established. But once the permit was pulled and
15 inspected, everything needed to be brought up to
16 code?
17 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir. The work that was done
18 needs to meet the current --
19 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Right.
20 MR. HARVEY: -- edition of the code.
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Right. So basically no
22 matter whether the pool was there and inspected 20
23 years ago, filled in with dirt, once they put a new
24 pump on it, dug everything out, got the proper
25 permits, he's saying that he inspected it and it
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1 was okay. You're saying that you went through,
2 inspected it, and it was not.
3 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir, that is correct.
4 MR. DiFRANCESCO: It was not -- so basically
5 you're calling into question his ability to --
6 ability to sign off on the -- on the pool?
7 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir.
8 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. In a nutshell, that's
9 where we're at.
10 MR. HARVEY: Yes.
11 MS. WATERS: I'm Alphanette Waters, Assistant
12 Building Official. May I say one thing also?
13 THE CHAIR: Yes, ma'am.
14 MS. WATERS: If he's saying the pool was
15 recommissioned, what about the two holes in the
16 bottom of the pool that they had to -- in order to
17 demolish the pool, they had to put two holes in the
18 bottom and fill it with dirt so did you check the
19 two holes in the bottom of the pool, did you check
20 the repair of that?
21 MR. KOVNER: When I got there, the pool was
22 filled with water and the contractor said he filled
23 in the holes and sealed it, and since the pool was
24 not leaking, then I can only assumed that he sealed
25 them properly and there was no leaking water from
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2 MS. WATERS: We asked for written
3 documentation. Do you have that?
4 MR. KOVNER: I don't have any pictures of
5 that, no -- I believe there's a picture -- it shows
6 the holes here in the floor of the pool --
7 MS. WATERS: Yes, sir.
8 MR. KOVNER: -- and the contractor filled them
9 in, and since the pools is not leaking, then the
10 seal was done properly and it's perfectly good.
11 MS. WATERS: The seal and the rebar was
12 replaced and the compaction was done on that?
13 MR. KOVNER: The -- the re -- I cannot see it,
14 but I would really imagine that the steel was not
15 touched. All that -- they chipped a hole in the
16 pool and the resteel was there, the original
17 resteel was still there.
18 MS. WATERS: Can you verify that it -- the
19 steel was still there?
20 MR. KOVNER: I have no idea. The pool as
21 filled with water. I --
22 MS. WATERS: So was the steel corroded when
23 they --
24 MR. KOVNER: It doesn't matter, the pool is
25 not leaking. The pool -- the pool -- the concrete
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1 was poured in the hole to fill the holes and sealed
2 properly so that the pool was not leaking. So the
3 structure is intact.
4 MR. HARVEY: One follow-up question for you.
5 Did you verify that the main drain was changed to
6 the drain that is shown on your diagrams, on your
7 plans?
8 MR. KOVNER: I think I called for a channel
9 drain.
10 MR. HARVEY: Yes, you did. Did you verify
11 that a channel drain is installed?
12 MR. KOVNER: I can't really remember. I don't
13 know.
14 MR. HARVEY: I don't remember seeing one is
15 why I'm asking. And there was no vacuum relief on
16 the -- on the suction lines.
17 MR. KOVNER: If there was no -- if the channel
18 drain was not installed and the single main drain
19 was in existence, I called for a Vac-Alert to be
20 placed on the pool, yes.
21 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir. You can see in the
22 piping that there is no --
23 MS. BARBIERI: We appreciate your indulgence.
24 We were trying to get from Mr. -- the engineer
25 information on Hannah Becker and -- and that's
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1 obviously what is here before the Board today.
2 THE CHAIR: Yep, thank you.
3 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, I was going to ask, is
4 -- is this another code case that is upcoming or
5 something?
6 MS. BARBIERI: No, sir. He's an engineer. It
7 would go to the Engineering Licensing Board.
8 THE CHAIR: Okay. Mr. Kovner is a licensed
9 commercial and residential pool contractor. I
10 absolutely have some trepidations with the work
11 that was performed and that's why I allowed the
12 staff to ask you questions with respect to life
13 safety, especially electrical and plumbing.
14 So thank you for bringing documentation today.
15 Thank you for being here today. I have no further
16 questions.
17 In front of us is the disciplinary case for
18 Hannah Becker. Being that Hannah Becker is not
19 here, I'll entertain motion from the Board.
20 MR. PRIDE: I make a motion to revoke the
21 permitting privileges for Hannah Becker and A&J
22 Custom Pools not to exceed 365 days for new
23 permitting. After the revocation period, a written
24 request must be made for the Board's review.
25 THE CHAIR: We have a motion. Do we have
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1 second?
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Second.
3 THE CHAIR: Second by Mr. DiFrancesco. Voice
4 vote, please.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
6 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
7 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
8 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
10 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
11 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
12 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
13 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
14 MR. LEONARD: I abstain.
15 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
16 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
18 MR. PRIEST: Yes, ma'am.
19 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
20 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
21 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
22 MS. BARBIERI: May I just confirm. I probably
23 missed it and I apologize. That included us
24 forwarding the order to DBPR and the surrounding
25 municipalities?
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1 MR. PRIDE: Yes.
2 MS. BARBIERI: Okay. Thank you.
3 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
4 Mr. Cicio, Case No. 2305-0000038.
5 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir.
6 THE CHAIR: Mr. Kovner, you are free to go.
7 Good luck at your doctor's appointment this
8 afternoon.
9 MR. KOVNER: Excuse me.
10 THE CHAIR: Good luck at your doctor's
11 appointment this afternoon.
12 MR. KOVNER: Thank you much.
13 MR. CICIO: In regards to Case Code
14 2305-0000038 for 1100 Hartman Road in Fort Pierce
15 for S&S Development, Andrew Sandner.
16 For the record, I'm submitting the following
17 documents as evidence: Eight photos taken by me.
18 Four taken on December 29th of 2022 and four taken
19 on March 13th of 2023 during an on-site inspection
20 of the property address of 1100 Hartman Road in
21 Fort Pierce. I'm submitting two photos provided by
22 Mr. Fisher that were included in his Complaint
23 Affidavit of the pool during reconstruction. I'm
24 submitting a copy of a Complaint Affidavit filed by
25 the property owners of 1100 Hartman Road on
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1 May 10th of 2023 against Theodore Schmidlkofer with
2 All Kinds of Screen, LLC. Included is an invoice
3 dated May 19th of 2022 from All Kinds of Screen,
4 LLC provided to Mr. Fisher for the construction of
5 a pool enclosure for the price of $15,000.
6 Included is a letter from engineer Sidney Kovner
7 dated February 10th of 2023. Another letter from
8 engineer Sidney Kovner dated February 14th of 2023
9 and an invoice from El-Sid Engineering, Inc. I'm
10 submitting a copy of a permit application for
11 Building Permit No. BLDR2210-002049 applied for on
12 October 28th of '22 by S&S Development,
13 Mr. Andrew Sandner, which was issued on
14 November 16th of 2022. Also submitted is an
15 inspection record showing no inspection except for
16 the footer inspection by engineer Sidney Kovner.
17 I'm also submitting a copy of the plans submitted
18 for the pool screen enclosure, which show a detail
19 of the screen enclosure attached to a concrete
20 footer. The plans drawn by El-Sid Engineering,
21 submitted by A&J Custom Pools, LLC, are also
22 included and show a detail of the footer. I am
23 submitting Division of Corporations information, a
24 contractor license and Workers' Compensation
25 exemption information for S&S Development. S&S
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1 Development is an active fictitious company under
2 the corporation of Performance Automotive, Inc.
3 Andrew Sandner and Richard Small are the owners of
4 this fictitious company. I'm submitting Division
5 of Corporations and Workers' Compensation exemption
6 information for a dissolved company of All Kinds of
7 Screen, LLC. The managing members are listed to be
8 Theodore Schmidlkofer and Joseph Hancock. This
9 company was not found to be a licensed company,
10 neither state or locally licensed, required by
11 County ordinance. I'm submitting a copy of a
12 Notice to Appear for the July 19th, 2023 Contractor
13 Licensing Board with proof of posted service. I
14 spoke to the business owner Richard Small on June
15 13th of 2023 and again on July 17th of 2023 and
16 informed him of the Notice to Appear with detailed
17 information. I also emailed a copy of the Notice
18 to Appear on June 13th of 2023 to email provided on
19 the permit application and the email provided
20 during contractor registry. The Notice to Appear
21 was posted on the work site address on June 15th of
22 2023. Mr. Small was notified of this posting. On
23 May 10th of 2023 a Complaint Affidavit was filed by
24 Mr. Harold Fisher against All Kinds of Screen, LLC,
25 Theodore Schmidlkofer, for work performed at the
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1 address of 1100 Hartman Road in Fort Pierce.
2 Upon review of the issued permit, I found that
3 Andrew Sandner with S&S Development applied for and
4 was issued the permit for a pool screen enclosure.
5 According to the invoice provided by Mr. Fisher, he
6 contracted with and paid the business of All Kinds
7 of Screen, LLC for the work that was done.
8 During my investigation, the pool screen
9 enclosure was found to be permitted under
10 Permit No. BLDR2210-002049 issued on November 16th
11 of 2022 to S&S Development, Andrew Sandner. The
12 permit was failed upon initial inspection due to no
13 permit paperwork being on site for inspection. An
14 engineer letter dated February 10th of 2023 from
15 El-Sid Engineering acknowledges that a footer was
16 no in place and presented a detail calling for an
17 8 inch by 8 inch footer. An engineer letter from
18 El-Sid Engineering dated February 14th of 2023 was
19 received stating that engineer Sidney Kovner
20 inspected and approved the construction of the
21 footer for the screen enclosure. This footer was
22 constructed without a permit, as the pool permit
23 was not issued until April 25th of 2023. Mr. and
24 Mrs. Fisher were charged an additional $1,000 for
25 construction of the footer, which was paid.
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1 According to Mr. Fisher, and we will present
2 testimony, Mr. Becker agreed to install the footer
3 if Mr. Fisher withdrew his complaint with the
4 Contractor Licensing Department against A&J Custom
5 Pools. The footer called for on the plans
6 submitted to the building department for review was
7 never installed by S&S Development nor A&J Custom
8 Pools. Neither S&S Development nor All Kinds of
9 Screen, LLC checked to confirm if a footer was
10 installed prior to installing the pool screen
11 enclosure. This negligence caused an additional
12 cost by the property owners for the installation of
13 the footer, the footer has had no inspections
14 beyond the engineer letter for Sidney Kovner.
15 As a result of this complaint, it was found
16 that S&S Development violated under prohibited
17 activities 10-26(8), Fraudulently depart from or
18 disregard plans or specifications in material
19 respect without consent of the owner or his duly
20 authorized representative.
21 Under St. Lucie County Code 10-26(9), Commit
22 any fraudulent act as a contractor as a result of
23 which another is financial injured.
24 Under St. Lucie County Code 10-26(13),
25 Disregard or violate any county ordinance relating
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1 to unlicensed contractors.
2 Under Revocation of Suspension of Certificate
3 of Competency, under St. Lucie County Code
4 10-67(3), Disregards and violates an applicable
5 state or local building code, regulation or law.
6 Under 10-67(4), Performs any act which assists
7 a person or business in engaging in the unlicensed
8 business of contracting, as defined herein, if the
9 certificate holder knows or has reasonable grounds
10 to know that the person or business is unlicensed.
11 St. Lucie County Code 10-67(15), Aids or abets
12 any unlicensed person or business organization to
13 evade any provision of this division.
14 Andrew Sandner is an active state licensed
15 certified building contractor under
16 License No. CBC1259645, which was effective on
17 October 19th of 2013. Mr. Sander did register with
18 St. Lucie County on July 26th of 2022 and obtained
19 St. Lucie County license certification of 033210.
20 Based on the facts of this case, Staff is
21 recommending to the Board, No. 1, suspend the
22 privileges of permitting of S&S Development,
23 Andrew Sandner for a period not to exceed 365 days.
24 This does not include current issued permits.
25 Number 2, require that a written request be
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1 made to the Board to reinstate S&S Development,
2 Andrew Sander, privilege permitting after a
3 one-year suspension.
4 Staff also recommends to the Board that a copy
5 of the Board's order be forwarded to the Florida
6 Department of Business and Professional Regulation
7 and the surrounding municipalities.
8 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr. Cicio.
9 Is Andrew Sandner here?
10 MR. CICIO: Mr. Sandner is not here but
11 Mr. Small is.
12 THE CHAIR: Mr. Small is. And Mr. Small is a
13 manager for the business?
14 MR. CICIO: He is a part owner of the
15 fictitious company of S&S Development.
16 THE CHAIR: But is not the license holder.
17 MR. CICIO: He is not the license holder, no,
18 sir.
19 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Mr. Small, thank you
20 for being here. Thank you for your patience. If
21 you would, please, be sworn in.
22 MS. JOHNSON: State your name and address for
23 the record.
24 MR. SMALL: Richard Small, 5140 Palomino
25 Drive, Melbourne, Florida.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
2 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
3 MR. SMALL: Yes.
4 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
5 THE CHAIR: Mr. Small, thank you for being
6 here. It's a shame the license holder couldn't be
7 here. You've heard what Officer Cicio has to say.
8 MR. SMALL: I have.
9 THE CHAIR: And?
10 MR. SMALL: My job would be to rectify
11 anything I can to make Mr. and Mrs. Fisher happy
12 with whatever took -- took place at their -- at
13 their home. We hired a subcontractor to do -- to
14 perform the services of installing the screen
15 enclosure, and, apparently, when he got there to
16 install the screen enclosure, there were pavers
17 that were installed on top of dirt. My
18 subcontractor informed me that there had been a
19 previous pool there and a previous screen enclosure
20 and that two or three inches below the pavers was
21 the existing footer, and he used extra long screws
22 to go through the pavers and down into the footer
23 to anchor the pool screen enclosure correctly.
24 Now, whether that is true or not, I personally
25 did not visit the job site. I was never contacted
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1 that there was any issues in regards to this, other
2 than I think we received an email that said all the
3 paperwork had passed on the permit. The permit was
4 issued and the permit was installed -- I believe
5 they were using a tree in the yard to install the
6 permits or to serve the permits, and that's were
7 the permit was left. My negligence for not going
8 there personally to inspect this. We had used this
9 subcontractor sub -- sub -- coincidently maybe 15
10 or 20 times prior to that with no issues. A lot of
11 confidence, good company. If there are any
12 deficiencies, we stand behind whatever we do.
13 We're willing to make it good.
14 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr. Small. You're
15 being brought in front of us because -- what was
16 the cause again, Officer Cicio?
17 MR. CICIO: To be brought before you because
18 of the pool screen enclosure being attached to a
19 paver surface without a footer in place. And, no,
20 they have not been before this Board before.
21 THE CHAIR: Okay. And the -- that -- do we
22 know if that's been rectified? Obviously, because
23 of the last case we had here where the footer was
24 done, engineer signed off on it, has the Building
25 Department been out there to inspect the screen
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1 enclosure to see that it's been reattached to the
2 footers properly?
3 MR. CICIO: We have the engineer letter, but
4 as far as my knowledge goes, and I'll ask
5 Mr. Harvey to speak in this, there's been no
6 inspections call in to date on this project at all.
7 MR. HARVEY: Doug Harvey, Building Official,
8 that is correct. That is correct, there have been
9 no inspections.
10 THE CHAIR: There have been no inspections on
11 it?
12 MR. HARVEY: Correct.
13 THE CHAIR: So the contractor pulled the
14 permit, has not called for an inspection yet, and
15 they're in front of us today?
16 MR. HARVEY: Right.
17 THE CHAIR: Why didn't you call for an
18 inspection?
19 MR. SMALL: I can't answer that question.
20 THE CHAIR: How long ago was the footer work
21 performed?
22 MR. SMALL: We never -- we weren't responsible
23 for doing an flat work or concrete work?
24 THE CHAIR: Were you -- were you contracted to
25 go out there and remove the screen enclosure so
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2 MR. SMALL: Negative. We were hired to go out
3 there an install a swimming pool enclosure.
4 THE CHAIR: Sure. And you installed it on top
5 of dirt?
6 MR. SMALL: No, we installed it on top of the
7 pavers.
8 THE CHAIR: Which is installed on top of dirt.
9 MR. SMALL: But the --
10 THE CHAIR: A 1 inch thick paver.
11 MR. SMALL: Obviously, there was a footer
12 underneath the dirt --
13 THE CHAIR: Okay. Sure.
14 MR. SMALL: -- from the previous --
15 THE CHAIR: But we know -- we know the fact
16 that there is no footer underneath there. The work
17 has been performed, the footer was installed, the
18 screen enclosure -- has the screen enclosure been
19 reinstalled? Have you been on the site at all
20 in --
21 MR. SMALL: Negative.
22 THE CHAIR: -- the last couple of months.
23 MR. SMALL: No.
24 THE CHAIR: I have no further questions. Does
25 anybody have any questions of Mr. Small?
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2 MR. PRIEST: I have a question of Staff if I
3 may.
4 THE CHAIR: Sure.
5 MR. PRIEST: A permit was issued for the new
6 -- the new screen enclosure and part of that
7 permit, did it discuss anything about a foundation,
8 an existing foundation or anything of that nature?
9 I'm just trying to understand what this company was
10 contracted to do and permitted to do.
11 MR. HARVEY: I can pull up the permit and take
12 a look at the files.
13 Mr. Cicio, do you have the permit number
14 handy?
15 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir. One second here.
16 MR. PRIEST: What I'm trying to ascertain is,
17 what exactly did they do wrong and it's unclear to
18 me.
19 MR. CICIO: The permit number, Mr. Harvey,
20 2210-002049.
21 MR. PRIEST: Other than obvious poor
22 supervision.
23 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Small, do you know why
24 Andrew Sandner did not show up here today?
25 MR. SMALL: He's on another job out of town.
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1 MR. DiFRANCESCO: But it is his license?
2 MR. SMALL: Absolutely.
3 MR. DiFRANCESCO: And you have nothing to do
4 with that license other than you're just a --
5 MR. SMALL: I'm the CEO of the company.
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I'm sorry.
7 MR. SMALL: I am the CEO of the company.
8 MR. DiFRANCESCO: The CEO of the company. He
9 qualifies that company?
10 MR. SMALL: He's the qualifier.
11 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. He didn't feel it
12 necessary to be here in front of us today?
13 MR. SMALL: He didn't feel?
14 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yeah.
15 MR. SMALL: The notification -- we never
16 received a notification until just recently and
17 he's on a job out of -- on another location, but I
18 can -- I can bring him in but, you know, flight
19 arrangements and so on and so forth.
20 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Cicio, can you tell us
21 again when they -- when you sent the paperwork to
22 them --
23 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir.
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: -- and if it was received?
25 MR. CICIO: So a copy of the Notice to Appear
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1 for the July 19th, '23 Contractor Licensing Board
2 with proof of posted service -- let me go back
3 here.
4 Mr. Small was also notified for email on
5 June 13th of 2023. Actually, I spoke to him on
6 June 13th of 2023 and, again, on July 17th of 2023,
7 which was just two days ago. On my conversation
8 with Mr. Small on June 13th of 2023, I did advise
9 him that I'd be sending this by email and that the
10 property would be posted. So he was aware. And he
11 was aware this is a disciplinary case.
12 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So he's only had less than a
13 week?
14 MR. CICIO: No, sir. This was back in June.
15 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Oh, okay. So he's had more
16 than 30 days?
17 MR. CICIO: It's just about -- yeah, more than
18 30 days.
19 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I know if it was my license
20 you better -- you'd better believe I'd be here to
21 stand up for myself.
22 THE CHAIR: So just to clarify, it's been
23 brought in front of us because the screen enclosure
24 was installed without a footer being in place?
25 MR. CICIO: Also aiding and abetting an
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1 unlicensed contractor.
2 THE CHAIR: And aiding and abetting an
3 unlicensed contractor?
4 MR. CICIO: Right.
5 THE CHAIR: The footer, from what we know of,
6 from the engineer who signed off on the last case,
7 has been installed?
8 MR. CICIO: Correct.
9 THE CHAIR: And we're waiting to see if this
10 has an approved final inspection on the screen
11 enclosure?
12 MR. HARVEY: Mr. Chairman, Doug Harvey,
13 Building Official. Responding back to Mr. Priest,
14 the plans that were submitted show the screen
15 enclosure being placed onto a concrete deck. Those
16 were the plans that were submitted to us. There
17 was no travertine pavers that were involved at the
18 time. And it's my understanding that when they
19 came back they went around and they pumped concrete
20 around it or somehow placed the concrete in order
21 for the Tapcons to be able to have something to
22 hold on to.
23 THE CHAIR: You -- Mr. Small, you understand
24 what we're talking about here. You got a -- if
25 that's not secured correctly, you and -- how many
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1 screen enclosures do you build a year?
2 MR. SMALL: We've probably have done 15.
3 THE CHAIR: And you would agree that you would
4 have to have some kind of structure underneath
5 there?
6 MR. SMALL: Well, it was brought to my
7 attention that they used extra long screws to go
8 through the travertine pavers into the previous
9 footer that was there from the previous screen
10 enclosure. The screen -- the screen cannot be
11 supported on dirt alone --
12 THE CHAIR: Sure.
13 MR. SMALL: -- and the pavers were sitting on
14 top some dirt and an existing footer that lied
15 below that. That's what the Tapcons were attached
16 to.
17 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So Mr. Small, can you tell
18 -- tell us, or maybe the homeowners can, if
19 Mr. Sandner has ever been on the project. Has he
20 -- did he go and look at it --
21 MR. SMALL: Negative.
22 MR. DiFRANCESCO: He just pulled permits for
23 you?
24 MR. SMALL: Pardon me?
25 MR. DiFRANCESCO: He just pulled permits for
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1 this company?
2 MR. SMALL: Correct.
3 MR. DiFRANCESCO: And then you sub it out to
4 somebody else?
5 MR. SMALL: In some cases, yes.
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Unlicensed.
7 MR. SMALL: No, he was licensed in Melbourne
8 but not licensed in St. Lucie.
9 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Obviously, you did not know
10 he was not licensed in St. Lucie County?
11 MR. SMALL: I was unaware of that, correct?
12 MRS. FISHER: He couldn't even get in because
13 everything is always locked.
14 MR. SMALL: My purpose here is to rectify and
15 make sure that Mr. and Mrs. Fisher are satisfied
16 with the screen enclosure installation.
17 THE CHAIR: I would have -- my statement would
18 be that the screen enclosure's fastened correctly
19 so that it doesn't blow away in an 80-mile-an-hour
20 storm --
21 MR. SMALL: I would --
22 THE CHAIR: -- and it meets code and it meets
23 -- meets the permitted specs -- specifications,
24 which now have to be redone because you don't have
25 a concrete deck on there, you don't have a
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1 monolithic slab underneath there. You have a
2 standalone footer that may or may have not been put
3 in correctly. No one knows. Would you agree?
4 MR. SMALL: I agree 100 percent. As the
5 contractor -- I mean, as the screen enclosure
6 gentleman installed the screen enclosure, it's
7 typical that there's a footer underneath there. It
8 is typically not there responsibility, unless it's
9 on the job, to pour the footer, and nowhere in the
10 contract were we hired to pour the footer. There
11 was an existing footer there underneath the dirt
12 from the previous screen enclosure.
13 THE CHAIR: So what you're saying is you were
14 told that there was an existing footer underneath
15 the dirt?
16 MR. SMALL: That is correct.
17 THE CHAIR: And that is the assumption that
18 you went upon?
19 MR. SMALL: And the screws went into that
20 existing footer, from what I understand.
21 THE CHAIR: I have no further questions.
22 Anybody else have any further questions of
23 Mr. Small?
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I'm good.
25 THE CHAIR: Hearing none I'll accept a motion.
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1 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to
2 make a motion to suspend the permitting privileges
3 for Andrew Sandner and/or Performance Automotive,
4 d/b/a S&S Development for a term not to exceed 365
5 days for new permits only. After the suspension
6 period, a written request must be made to the Board
7 to reinstate Mr. Sandner and/or performance
8 automotive, d/b/a S&S Development's permitting
9 privileges. A copy of the Board's order shall be
10 forwarded to the Department of Business and
11 Professional Regulation and the surrounding
12 municipalities.
13 THE CHAIR: We have a motion. Do we have a
14 second?
15 MR. JERGER: Second it.
16 THE CHAIR: We have a second by Mr. Jerger.
17 Madam Secretary, please call a voice vote?
18 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
19 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
21 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
23 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
25 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
2 MR. LEONARD: Yes, ma'am.
3 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
4 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
6 MR. PRIEST: Yes, ma'am.
7 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
8 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
9 THE CHAIR: Mr. Small, I pray that you get
10 that screen enclosure finaled out. I really do.
11 MR. SMALL: Thank you.
12 THE CHAIR: Does anybody need a break, like
13 5 minutes, a potty break?
14 MR. PRIDE: Yes.
15 MS. WILLIAMS: And Mr. Chair, we have snacks
16 over there and drinks over there if --
17 THE CHAIR: Do you have lunch?
18 MS. WILLIAMS: Snacks.
19 MRS. FISHER: He was never to our property. I
20 wouldn't -- I don't even know who he is.
21 MR. FISHER: It's the first we've seen him.
22 MRS. TAYLOR: It's the first we've ever seen
23 him.
24 THE CHAIR: I have no doubt.
25 MRS. FISHER: And when we asked the guy that
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1 put our screen house up, he was supposed to send --
2 the measurements and stuff were supposed to be sent
3 to an architect, and that's what he kept telling
4 us, Well, the architect has the permits. The
5 architect has this, and as soon as your screen
6 house is up, I have an inspector that will come and
7 inspect it, and we've never seen him. He's another
8 one, kept calling --
9 THE CHAIR: Yeah, I have no doubt.
10 MRS. FISHER: -- and nothing happened. So
11 we're -- we're at a rock and a hard place.
12 MR. DiFRANCESCO: But unfortunately it's a --
13 MRS. FISHER: We've deleted our savings to try
14 to get things straightened away and now we find out
15 that there's more stuff that has to be done.
16 THE CHAIR: Mr. and Mrs. Fisher, this Board
17 can only do so much. I would highly recommend that
18 you get with the -- the building official
19 Ms. Alphanette Waters, Mr. Doug Harvey, somebody on
20 staff here to -- and ask them for some assistance.
21 I'm sure they'll be more than happy to provide as
22 much as they can to you.
23 MR. FISHER: Thank you.
24 MRS. FISHER: Thank you.
25 (Brief recess was had.)
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1 THE CHAIR: Onto old business. Thank you the
2 5-minute break. I greatly appreciate it. It looks
3 like I was not the only one.
4 First time we've actually had a motion to
5 appeal for reconsideration and rehearing. Who
6 talks about this one?
7 MS. WILLIAMS: They do.
8 MR. CICIO: They do.
9 THE CHAIR: They do?
10 MR. CICIO: The contractors do.
11 THE CHAIR: Oh, the contractor does.
12 Fantastic. Let's go with Mr. Michael Largo, All
13 Tropical Services. And thank you both for being
14 here and staying here and listening.
15 MR. LARGO: Very educational.
16 THE CHAIR: You know the drill. Raise your
17 right hand.
18 MR. LARGO: Michael Largo, 13615 South Dixie
19 Highway, Miami, Florida.
20 Okay. Well, thank you respectfully. Ask you
21 guys --
22 THE CHAIR: One second.
23 MS. JOHNSON: Sir, raise your right hand.
24 MR. LARGO: Okay.
25 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
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1 the whole truth --
2 MR. LARGO: Yes.
3 MS. JOHNSON: -- and nothing but the truth?
4 MR. LARGO: Yes, yes, yes.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
6 MR. LARGO: I'm here respectfully asking you
7 guys to repeal the decision. I was here in front
8 of the Board March -- middle of March. I had just
9 gotten out of the hospital the night before. I
10 came in front of here. I couldn't say a word so I
11 really wasn't prepared for any kind of -- I didn't
12 even -- I've never been in front of a Board. I had
13 my license for 30 years so I really didn't know
14 what to expect and also I wasn't feeling that well.
15 So I asked for Mr. Cicio to off -- come here for an
16 opportunity when I could speak properly and ask you
17 guys to reconsider this because I don't feel I was
18 aiding and abetting anybody. I tried to do my due
19 diligence and -- and check this guy out. From all
20 the information I found, he was licensed not only
21 in St. Lucie but by the DPR (sic). And I really --
22 and I had checked, you know, website. My DPR.
23 Everything I sent you guys, I sent him a package.
24 That's what I did. And I really didn't even think
25 I needed to worry extremely that much because he
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1 wasn't going to do any -- any work until I got a
2 permit. I mean, that was the original -- that was
3 the original thing. He had come -- he approached
4 me that he had all of these -- a couple of banks.
5 I talked to the banks. He was going to start a
6 program of financing additions and -- I have a lot
7 of experience in that. I have a vacation house in
8 Vero Beach so it's something that I would be able
9 to watch. I don't -- I usually -- we do mostly
10 commercial renovations, but, you know, I've built a
11 bunch of houses.
12 So, anyway, I don't feel I was aiding and
13 abetting anyone and that's -- that's my opinion. I
14 just -- I did my due diligence after the fact he
15 lost his license or whatever. And, apparently,
16 this guy is still over the place. I mean, he's
17 still advertising. I mean, that baffles me. And I
18 was just telling Mr. Cicio even more ironic a week
19 I came here in March he calls me up and says, I
20 have another project. I said, Are you out of your
21 mind? Why didn't you show up at the thing and
22 explain what -- what's going on and get your
23 license back? Anyway, so that -- there's not a
24 whole bunch of story involved with that, but that's
25 -- that's how it came about from my end.
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1 So I was asking you if you repeal the decision
2 that you had made earlier, if possible.
3 THE CHAIR: Mr. Largo, this is the first time
4 where you actually signed off with somebody else?
5 MR. LARGO: Yeah. I -- most of our work's in
6 Miami and we're commercial renovators. I don't
7 really know a bunch of guys here, you know, that's
8 how I was looking -- you know, I mean, this guys
9 says he looks like he's sharp. He's obviously --
10 intelligent --
11 THE CHAIR: Mr. Largo, let me ask you this, is
12 it the intention --
13 MR. LARGO: -- people give him money.
14 THE CHAIR: Is it the intention if we provide
15 your license back to operate under your license,
16 operate under your business, to operate you or are
17 you going to qualify other people?
18 MR. LARGO: No, no, I don't -- I have never
19 qualified another company.
20 THE CHAIR: Okay.
21 MR. LARGO: No. I mean, I never -- the thing
22 is I have a -- we're winding down. I mean, I'm
23 winding down. My son's doing the stuff in Miami.
24 And, you know, like I said, I have a place over
25 here in Vero so I wanted to have -- I don't want to
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2 I don't want to have that on my license that I had
3 lost my license for something, a privilege in any
4 place in Florida. My license is -- I'm very proud
5 of a 30-year license without having any kind of
6 blemish, and I really didn't want to have that on
7 my record now in St. Lucie County. So that's --
8 that's the thing that -- why I'm here because it's
9 -- you know, you guys have licenses. You know how
10 valuable that is, you treat it with your life. I
11 mean, so to have -- to have a reprimand that I
12 can't -- even if I wasn't going to work here this
13 year, I don't want -- I don't want to have
14 something like that on my record.
15 THE CHAIR: Okay. Well, again, thank you for
16 being here and thinking of the process.
17 Does anybody have any other questions of
18 Mr. Largo?
19 MR. CICIO: Mr. Chairman, Members of the
20 Board, Mike Cicio, contractor license. Just for
21 the record, I just wanted to show -- in front of
22 you, is the letter of rebuttal with -- with
23 exhibits from Mr. Largo. In the back page you'll
24 see, it's in your package, this is contact that I
25 had with the Florida Department of Business and
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2 his -- his rebuttal. And again -- and I do have
3 personal knowledge to know that Mr. Wallace's
4 license was officially revoked on 1/10 of '22, and
5 it showed as revoked then. I've had several cases
6 with Mr. Wallace, and I've been working with the
7 investigator even then who did the revocation.
8 Maybe it was just a small issue of due diligence on
9 Mr. Largo's part of not searching for this through
10 DBPR, maybe he took Mr. Wallace's word for it,
11 maybe paperwork was handed to him, but I just, you
12 know, wanted the Board to know that.
13 Thank you.
14 THE CHAIR: I appreciate that.
15 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Largo, do you plan on
16 doing work in St. Lucie County?
17 MR. LARGO: Like I said, I have -- we have a
18 house in Vero. I mean, I -- right now I'm not
19 doing much work. I'm not -- I'm having some
20 difficulty. I have liver cancer, so I'm trying to
21 work on that for the next year or so. You know,
22 hopefully everything will work out, but I don't to
23 lose -- I don't want to have any blemish on my
24 license.
25 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Well, you do realize that --
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1 that the blemish is already. I don't think that's
2 going to come off of his -- his license. All we
3 can do here is possibly, if we choose to, allow you
4 to --
5 MR. LARGO: I would like to be able to, if I
6 could --
7 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Well, I think that's between
8 you and --
9 MR. CICIO: Mr. Largo, you have a letter from
10 the State of Florida, DBPR, so that would have to
11 be responded to the State.
12 MR. LARGO: You know, I got a letter from
13 them.
14 MR. CICIO: Okay.
15 MR. LARGO: I mean, you got -- I understood
16 that you would automatically send it to them.
17 MR. CICIO: Right.
18 MR. LARGO: So I've talked to them and I've
19 told them the same thing I've told you guys but --
20 I didn't tell you guys anything last time because I
21 couldn't say anything but that's -- I mean -- I
22 don't know. This guy is obviously -- I mean, I'm
23 not used to dealing with, you know, cons. This guy
24 gave me everything to believe that he was up and up
25 -- upfront, and I didn't really worry -- I said I
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1 didn't worry because -- I mean, there was no permit
2 pulled and nothing was going to be done, but then
3 he obviously did work without a permit so that's
4 how --
5 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Do you still have any
6 association with him?
7 MR. LARGO: Excuse me?
8 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Do you still have any
9 association with him?
10 MR. LARGO: Oh, no, absolutely --
11 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Because you do realize how
12 he -- how -- now you realize how easy it was to
13 lose your license and we know how hard it is to get
14 one.
15 MR. LARGO: Yeah. Like I said, I never -- I
16 mean -- you -- you know, you -- you have a very
17 long license, so do I. I mean, it's -- I had mine
18 in 1993 in Dade County and probably more so than
19 here everybody sues you for looking the wrong way,
20 and I haven't had any -- any kind of -- never had
21 any kind of reprimand or any kind of complaint.
22 MR. DiFRANCESCO: But you did mention that you
23 don't know anybody around here --
24 MR. LARGO: Well, I mean, as far as workers.
25 You know, I mean, I have -- like I said, we have
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1 neighbors and --
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Well, that's what I'm sayin,
3 if we -- if we decide to give you your license
4 back, I think next time you would do better due
5 diligence.
6 MR. LARGO: I mean, even from here from the
7 guy -- had my sons go through -- even guys --
8 because, you know, you have guys that are on the
9 job -- like the other guy said, 10 times or
10 something he's done work for you, whatever. Now,
11 so now I had my sons say -- you know, even while
12 they're working every -- you know, check them every
13 couple of months to ask them for new -- you know,
14 all their docs because they can --
15 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Is your son licensed?
16 MR. LARGO: -- phony -- my other son said they
17 can Photoshop them. They give you a certificate of
18 insurance and it's Photoshopped.
19 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Is your son licensed?
20 MR. LARGO: No, no. Well, he just finished --
21 he just graduated from FIU with construction
22 management so he's starting -- he's taking his test
23 on that so --
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Chairman?
25 THE CHAIR: Yes, Mr. DiFrancesco.
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1 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I have no problem reissuing
2 him his license back, reinstating him.
3 THE CHAIR: Is that a motion?
4 MR. DiFRANCESCO: That's the motion I'm going
5 to make.
6 THE CHAIR: We have a motion. Do we have a
7 second?
8 MRS. TAYLOR: I'll second.
9 THE CHAIR: We have a second by Ms. Taylor.
10 Any discussion?
11 (No response.)
12 Madam Secretary, please call a voice vote?
13 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
14 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
15 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
16 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
18 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
19 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
20 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
21 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
22 MR. LEONARD: Yes, ma'am.
23 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
24 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
25 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
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1 MR. PRIEST: Yes, ma'am.
2 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
3 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
4 THE CHAIR: Mr. Largo, thank you.
5 MR. LARGO: Thank you very much, everybody.
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Thank you so much.
7 MR. LARGO: Thank you so much.
8 MR. JERGER: Good luck.
9 THE CHAIR: Good luck with your battle.
10 MR. LARGO: Thank you.
11 THE CHAIR: Mr. Brownie?
12 MR. BROWNIE: Yes, sir. Jamison Brownie,
13 15200 SW Pratt Whitney Road, Stuart.
14 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
15 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
16 MR. BROWNIE: I do.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
18 THE CHAIR: Mr. Brownie, how are you doing
19 today?
20 MR. BROWNIE: Good. How are you?
21 THE CHAIR: Good. Doing just fine.
22 MR. BROWNIE: I'm ready for it to be over
23 with.
24 THE CHAIR: Well, you know, that's -- we give
25 over our time, efforts, energy and talents so
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2 MR. BROWNIE: There it is.
3 THE CHAIR: Well, thank you for coming in
4 front of us --
5 MR. BROWNIE: Yes.
6 THE CHAIR: -- for reconsideration and
7 rehearing. You saw the case before you. I
8 remember your case vividly. And anything you want
9 to add?
10 MR. BROWNIE: No, I just -- after getting a
11 6-month probationary period, after you guys had
12 found that I passed every inspection through the
13 building department and everything it just didn't
14 sit well with me. I know I can still pull permits
15 and everything, but like the gentleman before, I
16 just -- I don't want to have anything -- any kind
17 of negative mark on my contractor's license when
18 there was nothing found at fault. I completed the
19 contract, did everything I was supposed to, and
20 still get 6-months probation, just doesn't --
21 doesn't seem right.
22 THE CHAIR: Well, that's why we have these
23 reconsiderations --
24 MR. BROWNIE: Yeah.
25 THE CHAIR: -- and rehearings. That's what we
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2 MR. BROWNIE: Right.
3 THE CHAIR: So does anybody have any questions
4 of Mr. Brownie?
5 (No response.)
6 Hearing none I'll accept a motion.
7 MR. PRIDE: I'll make a motion to reinstate.
8 MR. JERGER: I'll second it.
9 THE CHAIR: So we have the -- he has a
10 license, we're just taking him off probation or
11 basically just eliminate what we said last time.
12 How does that work? This is all new to us so
13 please help.
14 MS. BARBIERI: Yes. Staff's recommendation is
15 obviously that the finding stands, but if you want
16 to remove the probation and everything else, then
17 you -- we -- you would remove the disciplinary part
18 of it, the probation and everything like that.
19 That's Staff's recommendation. The finding stands
20 because he did work outside the plans, that's -- so
21 we're recommending that stands but we have no -- no
22 problem with removing the probation.
23 THE CHAIR: Mr. Pride, is that what
24 you're motion --
25 MR. PRIDE: Yeah, it was Staff's
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2 THE CHAIR: We have a motion by Mr. Pride.
3 MR. JERGER: Second it.
4 THE CHAIR: Second by Mr. Jerger.
5 Madam Secretary, can you please take a voice
6 call?
7 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
8 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes, ma'am.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
10 MR. SAMPSON: Yes, ma'am.
11 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
12 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
13 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
14 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
15 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
16 MR. LEONARD: Yes, ma'am.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
18 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
19 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Priest.
20 MR. PRIEST: Abstain.
21 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Morris?
22 MR. MORRIS: Yes, ma'am.
23 THE CHAIR: Thank you, Mr. Brownie.
24 MR. JERGER: Good luck.
25 MR. BROWNIE: Thank you, guys.
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1 THE CHAIR: Best of luck.
2 MR. JERGER: Good luck.
3 MR. BROWNIE: I appreciate it.
4 THE CHAIR: New business. Mr. Neill, are you
5 bringing that to our attention.
6 MR. NEILL, JR.: Not me.
7 THE CHAIR: Not you.
8 MS. WILLIAMS: No, it's me.
9 THE CHAIR: Ms. Williams.
10 MS. WILLIAMS: It's probation status. We are
11 two who's on probation. Of course, Mr. Brownie who
12 just left. He's good standings. He has no new
13 open permits since 2012, so he was good.
14 Mr. Sammons, he came to the Board back in
15 January. We did a 2-year probation. I give every
16 2-month update. No new permits; however, he does
17 have two expired permits that haven't been
18 addressed as yet. I did contact him to ask him
19 why. I haven't heard back from him as yet. All he
20 has is two expired permits for Mr. Sammons.
21 THE CHAIR: Thank you.
22 MS. WILLIAMS: That's the only update I have.
23 THE CHAIR: I appreciate that.
24 MS. WILLIAMS: And last but not least, I don't
25 know if you guys had the chance to look at the
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1 House Bill in your package.
2 THE CHAIR: Oh, yeah.
3 MS. WILLIAMS: So July of 2024 it's going to
4 impact us greatly. What it means, that all our
5 local contractors now have to be certified
6 contractors except for fence. That means no more
7 sponsorship, no more reciprocity and no more
8 renewals, except for fence, of course. And that's
9 -- that's what the House Bill looks like, if it
10 doesn't --
11 THE CHAIR: I'm aware of that House Bill.
12 I've actually spoken to many legislators about how
13 I feel about that. We'll see. As of right now,
14 that -- that trains already in the station.
15 MS. BARBIERI: Yes.
16 MS. WILLIAMS: But we're status quo until
17 July 1st, 2024.
18 THE CHAIR: And my thoughts and process on
19 this with the legislators was that all you're going
20 to do is breed unlicensed contracting, because
21 you're making it harder for everybody to get a
22 license. Let us -- let us know who you are. So
23 I'm actually talking to the speaker of the house
24 and speak of the senate trying to make that change
25 but that's just me personally.
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1 MS. WILLIAMS: Thank you.
2 THE CHAIR: And I'm sure Staff's
3 recommendation -- I'm sure you guys feel the exact
4 same way.
5 MS. WILLIAMS: Yes. Very much so.
6 THE CHAIR: We have policies and procedures in
7 place to go ahead and keep track of people but --
8 MS. WILLIAMS: You have to have insurance and
9 license and everything.
10 THE CHAIR: We were a short few of those
11 counties that actually had its policies and
12 procedures in place unfortunately around the state.
13 MS. WILLIAMS: Thank you.
14 THE CHAIR: Anybody else?
15 MS. WILLIAMS: That's all I have.
16 THE CHAIR: Thank you. Any comments from the
17 Board.
18 (No response.)
19 Meeting adjourned.
20 (Meeting concluded.)
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6 I, KAREN M. BELLEMARE, FPR, a Shorthand
7 Reporter, certify that the foregoing transcript,
8 Pages 1 through 85, inclusive, was transcribed from
9 an audio recording that was provided by
10 St. Lucie County. The transcript is a true and
11 accurate transcription to the best of my ability.
12 I certify further I am neither attorney nor
13 counsel for, nor related to, nor employed by any of
14 the parties to the action, and further, that I am
15 not a relative or an employee of any party in this
16 action, nor am I financially interested in the
17 outcome of this action.
18 Dated this 11th day of September, 2023.
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CONSENT
Cameron Elwood Journeyman Electrician
Applicant has provided all other documents in compliance with St. Lucie County Code of Ordinances and Compiled Laws
Applicant passed the following Prov prepared, proctored and graded exam(s) EXAM(S) DATE GRADE
Journeyman Electrician 2020 08/31/2023 87.0%
Certificate # 033946
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CONSENT
Constant Dwayne C. Sprenger Fence Contractor
DSV Fence Solutions LLC
Applicant has provided all other documents in compliance with St. Lucie County Code of
Ordinances and Compiled Laws
Applicant passed the following Prov prepared, proctored and graded exam(s)
EXAM(S) DATE GRADE Fencing 07/25/2023 88.0%
Business and Law 07/25/2023 86.0%
Certificate # 033947
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Aleksandr Losev Journeyman Electrician
Applicant has provided all other documents in compliance with St. Lucie County Code of Ordinances and Compiled Laws
Applicant passed the following Prov prepared, proctored and graded exam(s) EXAM(S) DATE GRADE
Journeyman Electrician 2020 07/21/2023 88.0%
Certificate # 033939
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Steven R. Adcock Electrical Contractor
Advent AC LLC
Applicant has provided all other documents in compliance with St. Lucie County Code of Ordinances and Compiled Laws
Applicant passed the following Prov prepared, proctored and graded exam(s)
EXAM(S) DATE GRADE
Master AC (Limited) 06/12/2023 70.0%
Business and Law 05/31/2023 72.0%
Certificate # 033511
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Christopher Camello Electrical Contractor
Camello Electric LLC
Applicant has provided all other documents in compliance with St. Lucie County Code of Ordinances and Compiled Laws
Applicant passed the following Prov prepared, proctored and graded exam(s)
EXAM(S) DATE GRADE
Master Electrician 2014 04/25/2022 81.0%
Business and Law 08/30/2023 72.0%
Certificate # 033884
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Edmond R. Senez Electrical Contractor
Ed Senez Aluminum Specialists Inc.
Applicant has provided all other documents in compliance with St. Lucie County Code of Ordinances and Compiled Laws
Applicant passed the following Block and Associates prepared, proctored and graded exam(s)
EXAM(S) DATE GRADE Aluminum with Concrete 01/08/1990 85.0%
Business and Law Included in exam
Certificate # 034092
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