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CONTRACTORS EXAMINING BOARD
Wednesday, December 15, 2021
TIME: 8:37 A.M. to 9:04 A.M.
PLACE: Commission Chambers of the Roger Poitras Annex
2300 Virginia Avenue
Fort Pierce, FL 34982
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:
James "Travis" Leonard (Vice-Chair)
Michael Pride
Sheila McCarthy-Taylor
Tony Jerger
Michael DiFrancecco
Adam Sampson
COURT REPORTERS, INC.
108 North Depot Drive
Fort Pierce, FL 34950
info@court-reporters.com
772-464-2664
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 ---
3 MR. CHAIRMAN: Wednesday, December 15th, at
4 around 8:37 I call this Contractor's Licensing
5 Board meeting to order. The first order of
6 business is to welcome our new Board member,
7 Adam Sampson. Adam, thank you for joining the
8 Board, appreciate it.
9 Would you tell the Board a little about
10 yourself, who you work for, what your background
11 is?
12 MR. SAMPSON: Yeah, well, my name is
13 Adam Sampson. I'm --
14 MR. CHAIRMAN: Walk in to the mic -- talk into
15 the mic. There you go.
16 MR. SAMPSON: I'm a Fort Pierce native. I
17 grew up around here. My dad was a general
18 contractor in the area. My family were business
19 owners. I started a plumbing business about ten
20 years ago, and, yeah, we've been trying to grow and
21 build it since then. We're located right here
22 in -- in the community and --
23 MR. CHAIRMAN: Fantastic. Well, welcome to
24 the Board --
25 MR. SAMPSON: Thank you.
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1 MR. CHAIRMAN: Look forward to being on the
2 board with you.
3 MR. SAMPSON: Appreciate it.
4 MR. CHAIRMAN: Madam Secretary, can you please
5 call the roll of the Board members here?
6 MS. JOHNSON: Good morning, everyone.
7 Mrs. Taylor?
8 MRS. TAYLOR: Here.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
10 MR. SAMPSON: Here.
11 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
12 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
13 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
14 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
15 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Langel was excused.
16 Mr. Leonard?
17 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, ma'am.
18 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Parker is absent.
19 Mr. Pride?
20 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
21 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Seeing we had no
22 minutes from our last meeting, we don't have to
23 approve any. Will you please swear in the staff
24 members?
25 MS. JOHNSON: State your name for the record.
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1 MR. HARVEY: Doug Harvey.
2 MS. WATERS: Alphanette Waters.
3 MS. WILLIAMS: Danielle Williams.
4 MR. CICIO: Mike Cicio.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Do you affirm to tell the truth,
6 the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
7 STAFF MEMBERS: (All answer in affirmative.)
8 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
9 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, ma'am. At this part
10 of the meeting, we allow for public comment if
11 there's anybody in the audience who'd like to come
12 up and speak. Seeing none, I'll close that
13 portion.
14 Onto applicants to be approved by consent.
15 Madam Secretary, can you please call these into
16 roll?
17 MS. JOHNSON: Don't we need the motion first,
18 the consent motion?
19 MS. BARBIERI: Yes, you do.
20 MS. JOHNSON: We need a motion first.
21 MR. CHAIRMAN: We need a motion to approve by
22 consent?
23 MS. JOHNSON: Yes, first.
24 MR. CHAIRMAN: Please bear with me. It's been
25 a little while. I apologize.
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1 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Motion to approve.
2 MR. PRIDE: I'll second that.
3 MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a motion by
4 Mr. DiFrancesco, a second by Mr. Pride.
5 All in favor?
6 BOARD MEMBERS: Aye.
7 MR. CHAIRMAN: Any opposed?
8 (No response.)
9 MS. JOHNSON: Walter Zavala, doing business as
10 AZA Construction, LLC, drywall contractor,
11 Ervin Lorenzo, doing business as Seaside
12 Irrigation, LLC, irrigation, sprinkler contractor.
13 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, very much. We have
14 none to be approved by reciprocity. Next we have
15 the ones that are approved administratively.
16 Please call these into the record.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Marisela Luna, doing business as
18 SLP Tractor Services, Inc., land clearing
19 contractor; Arthur Cielo, doing business as The
20 Irrigation Wizards, LLC, irrigation, sprinkler;
21 Patsi L. Meltzer, doing business as PLM
22 Construction Consulting, LLC, residential
23 contractor; Winston Thompson, WT Lot Builders, LLC,
24 doing business as A Now Home Repair, concrete
25 contractor; Steven J. Shulman, doing business as
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1 On-Site Screening Company, Inc., aluminum without
2 concrete contractor.
3 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, very much. We have
4 an application to be reviewed by the Board. I
5 believe everybody on the Board has gotten a packet
6 from Mr. Taylor. Is Mr. Taylor here?
7 MR. TAYLOR: Yes.
8 MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Taylor, would you like to
9 come up, please be sworn in, and tell us a little
10 bit about yourself.
11 MR. TAYLOR: Sure.
12 MS. WILLIAMS: I have a summary I would like
13 to read in, into the record, if you don't mind.
14 MR. CHAIRMAN: Oh, fantastic, Ms. Williams.
15 Please, by all means.
16 MS. WILLIAMS: Just to refresh everyone's
17 memory, Mr. Taylor is applying to be reciprocated
18 from Brevard County to be an electrical contractor.
19 Our ordinance requires that he has to have a letter
20 of experience from a licensed electrical
21 contractor. Mr. Taylor was unable to provide the
22 letter verifying six years of experience from
23 electrical contractor.
24 Mr. Taylor -- Mr. Taylor worked from
25 Earl Minion, Jr. owner of Minion Electric. The
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1 business was located in the State of Pennsylvania.
2 However, he has passed away in 2012, so he's unable
3 to get that letter from him. Mr. Taylor was
4 sponsored and licensed by Brevard County. In
5 Brevard County, also he was unable to provide a
6 letter of experience from Brevard County; however,
7 he attested to his own experience, provided letters
8 of recommendation from professional businesses and
9 by him providing his tax records to Brevard County,
10 they issued him a license.
11 Staff is bringing this case before the Board
12 today on a review because Mr. Taylor is unable to
13 provide what's required by our ordinance, and in
14 your package, you'll see his Schedule C from 2007
15 to 2012. So he's here today to speak to the Board
16 to get licensed in St. Lucie County.
17 MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. Williams, thank you so
18 much. Mr. Taylor, thank you for being here. I've
19 had an opportunity to read through the packet that
20 was provided by staff. I think they did an amazing
21 job, and I think you provided with a lot of
22 information. It's just sad that you couldn't get a
23 letter for your experience because you wouldn't be
24 in front of the Board here for review if you had
25 that, but I -- I have a lot of information here.
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1 Please kind of give us a little summary of your
2 experience and go from there.
3 MR. TAYLOR: I've been working as a contractor
4 since --
5 MS. JOHNSON: He has to be sworn --
6 MR. CHAIRMAN: Oh, I apologize.
7 MS. JOHNSON: State your name and address for
8 the record.
9 MR. TAYLOR: Richard Taylor, 433 Bimini Cay
10 Circle, Vero Beach, Florida.
11 MR. CHAIRMAN: You want to turn the mic on.
12 MS. JOHNSON: It's the mic.
13 MR. CHAIRMAN: And if you could just talk into
14 the mic so we can clearly hear you.
15 MR. TAYLOR: Richard Taylor, 433 Bimini Cay
16 Circle, Vero Beach, Florida.
17 MR. CHAIRMAN: Sorry. Speak into it.
18 MR. TAYLOR: Richard Taylor, 433 Bimini Cay
19 Circle, Vero Beach, Florida.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Raise your right hand. Do you
21 affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
22 nothing but the truth?
23 MR. TAYLOR: I do.
24 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
25 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Taylor.
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1 MR. TAYLOR: All right. I've been a
2 contractor not long after high school. I started
3 out in plumbing. My father and my grandfather were
4 both plumbing contractors. I didn't really like it
5 that much and decided to transfer to the electrical
6 trade when I was about 25, 27, maybe a little
7 younger, and I've been doing business for -- in
8 Pennsylvania I did business for, like, 35 years,
9 and then I've been doing business down here for
10 about six months.
11 MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. Well, welcome to the
12 area.
13 MR. TAYLOR: Thank you.
14 MR. CHAIRMAN: Does any of the Board members
15 have any questions of Mr. Taylor?
16 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Taylor, so you -- you
17 said you live in Vero?
18 MR. TAYLOR: Yes, sir.
19 MR. DiFRANCESCO: How come you took the test
20 in --
21 MR. CHAIRMAN: Brevard.
22 MR. DiFRANCESCO: -- Brevard County?
23 MR. TAYLOR: How come I -- they don't do the
24 testing in Vero. Indian River does not do a
25 licensing examination. So my choices were
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1 St. Lucie or Brevard.
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay.
3 MR. TAYLOR: I didn't really have a preference
4 and picked Brevard probably because it was first in
5 the alphabet.
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So you took your business in
7 law in October, 2020?
8 MR. TAYLOR: Yeah, that's about right. Yep.
9 MR. DiFRANCESCO: How come you didn't take the
10 other one until 2021, in April?
11 MR. TAYLOR: I had some health issues when I
12 came down here, and I wanted to study for the exam.
13 The business law was pretty simple.
14 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So you've been licensed in
15 Brevard County since April?
16 MR. TAYLOR: Is that right? Yeah, that sounds
17 about right.
18 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Because I noticed you didn't
19 have any letters from anybody in Vero or where you
20 do business at.
21 MR. TAYLOR: It's difficult to get -- I wasn't
22 a licensed contractor, so I wasn't able to do
23 business in Vero.
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: But you've been doing
25 business since April?
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1 MR. TAYLOR: Yes, sir.
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: You don't do business --
3 what do you do, just -- you do new construction,
4 new homes?
5 MR. TAYLOR: No, and never will.
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: What is it you do?
7 MR. TAYLOR: Mostly service work, remodels,
8 recessed lighting, panel upgrades, panel
9 replacements.
10 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Okay. So you deal with
11 mostly homeowners. I said you deal with mostly
12 homeowners so that's why you wouldn't be able to
13 get no letters --
14 MR. TAYLOR: Yes.
15 MR. DiFRANCESCO: -- any business people?
16 MR. TAYLOR: That would be correct. I'm
17 trying to get started, established.
18 MR. DiFRANCESCO: How did they -- how did
19 Brevard County allow you to take the test? Did you
20 have to go through a review like this?
21 MR. TAYLOR: No, sir.
22 MR. DiFRANCESCO: No?
23 MR. TAYLOR: No.
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: They just said go ahead?
25 MR. TAYLOR: I was able to provide them with
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1 six years of a Schedule C from running my own
2 business in Pennsylvania --
3 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I see that.
4 MR. TAYLOR: -- which I had been running for
5 years previous to that, but that's the furthest
6 back I had Schedule Cs for.
7 MR. DiFRANCESCO: And so your plans for
8 St. Lucie County is pretty much the same thing that
9 you've been doing, just homeowners and stuff like
10 that?
11 MR. TAYLOR: Yes, sir.
12 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Chairman, I'm ready to
13 make a motion.
14 MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. DiFrancesco -- does anybody
15 else have a question for Mr. Taylor on the Board
16 before we hear a motion?
17 (No response.)
18 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I'd like to make a motion to
19 approve Mr. Taylor to work in St. Lucie County.
20 MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a motion by
21 Mr. DiFrancesco.
22 MR. JERGER: I'll second that.
23 MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a second by Mr. Jerger.
24 Madam Secretary, can you call a voice vote,
25 please?
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
2 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes.
3 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
4 MR. SAMPSON: Yes.
5 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
6 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
7 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
8 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
9 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
10 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, ma'am.
11 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
12 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
13 MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Taylor, thank you for being
14 here. Welcome to St. Lucie County as a licensed
15 contractor. We wish you the absolute best.
16 MR. TAYLOR: Thank you. Enjoy your day.
17 MS. JOHNSON: Thank you.
18 MR. CHAIRMAN: I do think this is probably one
19 of the best things that this Board actually does is
20 review and go through and allow and license and --
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: It's common sense.
22 MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Cicio, up next. Waiver of
23 right to a hearing for failure to pay a citation.
24 MR. CICIO: Yes. Good morning.
25 MR. CHAIRMAN: Good morning, Mr. Cicio.
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1 MR. CICIO: For the record, I'm submitting a
2 total of 13 photos; 10 taken on June 7, 2021 at the
3 property address of 6303 South Indian River Drive
4 in Fort Pierce, including a photo showing that a
5 stop work order was posted; one taken on
6 November 10, 2021 showing the property posted with
7 a copy of the citation and citation letter; and two
8 taken on November 30, 2021, including a photo
9 showing that the property posted with a
10 Notice to Appear before the December 15, 2021
11 Contractor Licensing Board.
12 On June 7, 2021, I inspected the property
13 located at 6303 South Indian River Drive in
14 Fort Pierce where I observed a construction crew
15 installing an addition to the front of a
16 residential dwelling. Based on my investigation,
17 the crew was identified to be employees of
18 Slater Construction, LLC. A computer check
19 revealed that the permit for the renovation,
20 Permit No. 2104-0855, for adding covered front
21 porch and infilling garage opening to French doors
22 was in a pending status due to unresponded to
23 comments from plan review and zoning.
24 I attempted to contact Mr. Dillon Slater with
25 Slater Construction on several occasions during my
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1 inspection, but my calls were not accepted. A stop
2 work order was posted on the property, and my
3 business card, with contact information, was left
4 with the crew foreman. I did request a phone call
5 from Mr. Slater.
6 On June 8, 2021, I mailed out a $500 citation,
7 Citation No. 230, for proceeding on a job site
8 without first obtaining a building permit, along
9 with a citation letter, certified mail, which was
10 undelivered. I posted the property on
11 November 10, 2021 with a copy of the citation and
12 citation letter.
13 I have had limited email contact with
14 Mr. Slater only. He was advised of the citation
15 posting by email on November 10, 2021. Since the
16 citation remained unpaid, a Notice to Appear before
17 the December 15th, Contractor Licensing Board was
18 mailed out certified mail, which also remained
19 undelivered. A copy of a Notice to Appear was
20 posted on the property on November 30, 2021, and
21 again, Mr. Slater was notified by email.
22 Since the citation remains unpaid, staff is
23 recommending that the lien be placed on the real or
24 personal property of Mr. Dillon Slater, Slater
25 Construction, LLC, if the citation is not paid
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1 within 30 days.
2 And just for the Board's information, the
3 permit was finally issued on November 2nd of this
4 year.
5 MR. CHAIRMAN: So the citation was given
6 without providing -- pulling a permit and he
7 subsequently has pulled a permit, November 2nd, is
8 that what you said?
9 MR. CICIO: That is correct. Yes, sir.
10 MR. CHAIRMAN: You posted, you took pictures
11 back in June, you posted everything, you sent them
12 everything. Is Mr. Slater here? I think you said
13 you had limited email conversations with him. This
14 is a lot of construction not to pull a permit.
15 MR. CICIO: A lot of construction. And I do
16 have copies of the emails, my correspondence with
17 him if the Board is willing to see it.
18 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yeah, please, I'd like to.
19 Was the homeowner made aware that -- that a
20 lot of this construction was done without a permit?
21 MR. CICIO: Yes. As a result of these cases,
22 two code enforcement cases were opened up. They
23 both went to Code Enforcement Board, I believe, in
24 September. Nobody appeared. The property went
25 into default, and as soon as they received the
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1 default letter, the property owners, they made
2 contact with me and explained to me that they
3 wanted to get this rectified and they were having a
4 hard time getting in touch with Mr. Slater as well,
5 but, ultimately, the permit was issued on
6 November 2nd.
7 MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. So that contractor did
8 pull a permit. Do we know if there's been any
9 inspections on that permit since the permit was
10 pulled?
11 MR. CICIO: I'll have to defer to
12 Mr. Doug Harvey for that.
13 MR. HARVEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good
14 morning members of the Board. Doug Harvey,
15 building official, for the record.
16 The permit was originally applied for in May
17 and there were a number of questions on the items
18 that were submitted. There was missing
19 information. We did not have loading information.
20 Since then, we were able to get the permit
21 issued, as Mr. Cicio said, in November. At this
22 point in time, we are still waiting for a recorded
23 Notice of Commencement to be put on file. By law,
24 we are not able to perform an inspection until we
25 have the recorded Notice of Commencement.
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1 Consequently, no inspections have been performed.
2 MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Harvey, thank you. So the
3 permit was issued without a Notice of Commencement
4 but no inspections were called in because,
5 obviously, he hasn't provided that proper
6 documentation.
7 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir. That is correct.
8 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Does the Board have
9 any questions of staff?
10 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I do. Danielle, do we know
11 how long Mr. Slater has been in business in
12 St. Lucie County? How long has he been a
13 contractor licensed in St. Lucie County?
14 MS. WILLIAMS: That I don't know. I'm sorry.
15 MR. CHAIRMAN: Licensure date was April 10th
16 of 2018 as a general contractor. I don't know if
17 it was St. Lucie County. It says his county is
18 Indian River County, Michael, if you look at the
19 DBPR listing. He's been a contractor now since
20 2018, a little over three years.
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Harvey, do we know if
22 he's got -- does he have any outstanding permits
23 other than this, St. Lucie County?
24 MR. HARVEY: I apologize. I did not look for
25 that information. I can try and check it now.
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1 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Sure.
2 MR. CICIO: Mr. Chair?
3 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes.
4 MR. CICIO: Mike Cicio for the record. Just
5 to confirm his Certificate of Competency for
6 St. Lucie County was issued on 8/20 of '18.
7 MR. CHAIRMAN: 8/20 of 18?
8 MR. CICIO: Yes, sir.
9 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir. So he's been a
10 licensed contractor in St. Lucie County for over
11 three years. Applied for a permit, multiple
12 comments were made, and then started work on the --
13 on the building and is not here to tell us his side
14 of the story. Okay.
15 Mr. DiFrancesco, do you need to have that
16 information from Mr. Harvey?
17 MR. DiFRANCESCO: No.
18 MR. JERGER: I make a motion to accept staff's
19 recommendation.
20 MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a motion by Mr. Jerger.
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I'd like to discuss
22 something else if I can.
23 MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. DiFrancesco, by all means.
24 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Mr. Cicio, you say that he
25 -- the only dealings you've had with him is email?
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1 MR. CICIO: That is correct.
2 MR. DiFRANCESCO: No calling you?
3 MR. CICIO: No, sir.
4 MR. DiFRANCESCO: He can't come here to -- he
5 knew he was supposed to be here to defend himself.
6 Is there -- I'm asking staff, is it possible to
7 suspend his license for six months in St. Lucie
8 County?
9 MS. BARBIERI: Mr. Chairman, Assistant County
10 Attorney, Katherine Barbieri. All that the
11 contractor is on notice for is the citation hearing
12 today.
13 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, ma'am.
14 MS. BARBIERI: And for disciplinary hearings,
15 which is what you would have for the suspension,
16 there needs to be a complaint filed and he needs to
17 be put on notice and brought to the Board. That is
18 not before the Board today, and I don't know if
19 Mr. Cicio has a complainant or not.
20 MR. CICIO: At this time, I do not have a
21 formal complaint from the property owner on this
22 contractor.
23 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So I guess my question is,
24 is the -- it's St. Lucie County who's being duped
25 here because they didn't -- he's not doing his duty
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1 as a licensed contractor in St. Lucie County.
2 MR. CHAIRMAN: Well, like Mrs. Barbieri said,
3 unfortunately, all we have right now is the civil
4 penalty in front of us, and remember we voted on
5 years ago what the first offense, second offense
6 and third offense would be, and unfortunately --
7 MR. DiFRANCESCO: I'm ready for the motion.
8 MR. CHAIRMAN: We do have a motion by
9 Mr. Jerger. Further discussion was had.
10 MR. JERGER: What was the motion?
11 MR. CHAIRMAN: The motion was to accept
12 staff's recommendation.
13 MR. DiFRANCESCO: So I'll second it.
14 MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. DiFrancesco second. Thank
15 you. Madam Secretary, please call a voice vote.
16 MS. JOHNSON: Mrs. Taylor?
17 MRS. TAYLOR: Yes.
18 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Sampson?
19 MR. SAMPSON: Yes.
20 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. DiFrancesco?
21 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Yes, ma'am.
22 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Jerger?
23 MR. JERGER: Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Leonard?
25 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, ma'am.
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1 MS. JOHNSON: Mr. Pride?
2 MR. PRIDE: Yes, ma'am.
3 MR. CHAIRMAN: Seeing we have no old business,
4 we will be onto new business. We get to discuss
5 the Contractors Licensing Board meeting dates for
6 next year.
7 MS. WILLIAMS: Mr. Vice Chairman, as you guys
8 know, a few years ago we met every other month. It
9 was brought to our attention that it wasn't meeting
10 according to the ordinance, so we met like every
11 other month, every three months and so forth. Last
12 week updated our ordinance to change it so now you
13 can meet every other month if you'd like to --
14 MR. CHAIRMAN: Uh-huh.
15 MS. WILLIAMS: -- or if you want to stay how
16 you are this year and meet every other month,
17 sometimes three months, it's up to the Board. You
18 can have every other month or stay how it is in
19 2021 to --
20 MR. CHAIRMAN: Okay. Personally, it's -- it
21 doesn't matter to me whether we meet every other
22 month. I thought every other month is a lot more
23 consistent for everyone's schedules personally. I
24 didn't care for not realizing okay, well, not it's
25 three months or -- and I think for planning
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1 purposes, it's pretty easy to do a meeting every
2 other month on the -- on that same time, but that's
3 just my personal feelings. It's open for
4 discussion amongst the Board.
5 MRS. TAYLOR: I really have to agree that an
6 every other month is easier than surprise, it's
7 been three months. Whoops, we gotta go, you know?
8 MR. CHAIRMAN: I would agree.
9 MRS. TAYLOR: The consistency works.
10 MR. JERGER: Every other month for me too,
11 unless we have something special that we need to
12 look at --
13 MRS. TAYLOR: Well, yeah.
14 MR. JERGER: -- that we need to meet for a
15 month. As long as we have adequate time, that's
16 fine with me.
17 MS. WILLIAMS: Do you need to vote, Katherine?
18 MR. CHAIRMAN: Every other month is good.
19 Mr. DiFrancesco?
20 MR. DiFRANCESCO: Fine.
21 MR. CHAIRMAN: Perfect.
22 MS. WILLIAMS: So every other month?
23 MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, ma'am.
24 MS. WILLIAMS: Okay. Thank you.
25 MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. And last, but
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1 certainly not least, something I've been looking
2 forward to, because Mr. Davis is a shy, quiet guy,
3 as we all know.
4 Mr. Davis served on this Board for 24 years,
5 and that needs to be commended. I don't think
6 Mr. Davis realizes his impact on the community, as
7 great as it has been, nor I think he realizes the
8 impact he's had on myself and I'm sure each and
9 every one of the Board members that worked with him
10 and served with him. It's been an honor, an
11 absolute pleasure to get to know you, to serve with
12 you on this Board, to learn from you, to learn from
13 your tutelage, and we are eternally grateful for
14 your service for this Board and what you've done
15 for this community and we have a little award of
16 recognition we'd like to present to you.
17 MR. DAVIS: Go ahead.
18 (Laughter.)
19 MR. CHAIRMAN: So if you want to please come
20 up so we can go ahead and give you that award.
21 UNKNOWN MALE: You guys, everybody want to
22 come down here and take a picture and --
23 MR. DAVIS: Good morning, Adam. It's nice to
24 meet you.
25 MR. SAMPSON: Nice to meet you. I've heard a
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1 lot about you.
2 MR. CHAIRMAN: So it says 23 years of service
3 presented to Doug Davis, St. Lucie County
4 Contractors Examining Board and Construction Board
5 of Adjustments and Appeals. For distinguished
6 honor, we are proud to present this award for your
7 exemplary service and unwavering dedication while
8 serving on the Board. Thank you for all your hard
9 work and wishing you all the best.
10 MR. DAVIS: I will proudly display this in the
11 lobby. Thank you.
12 (Multiple voices.)
13 (Pictures were taken.)
14 MR. DAVIS: I am serious in saying that I have
15 really appreciated my years of service. You don't
16 do something that you don't like. I would have
17 bailed earlier. I've enjoyed every bit of it. And
18 the people I've served with over the years, you
19 know, whether it's staff and the public servants
20 that work for our county or those that have served
21 on the Board, it's just been a super pleasure and
22 I've really enjoyed every bit of it. So I thank
23 you guys for serving with me and putting up with my
24 sense of humor which sometimes may take things
25 longer than (inaudible) you've got a new sheriff in
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1 town so keep a smile on your face in whatever you
2 do. (Inaudible.)
3 MR. CHAIRMAN: I told the staff before you
4 even got here. I said, Don't expect 24 years out
5 of me.
6 MR. DAVIS: Thank you, very much. I enjoyed
7 it. It's been a pleasure.
8 MR. CHAIRMAN: We've got some cake.
9 (Concluded at 9:04 A.M.)
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1 STATE OF FLORIDA )
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2 COUNTY OF ST. LUCIE )
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4 CERTIFICATE
5 I, KAREN M. BELLEMARE, FPR, a Shorthand
6 Reporter, certify that the foregoing transcript,
7 Pages 1 through 26 inclusive, was transcribed from
8 an audio recording that was provided by
9 St. Lucie County. The transcript is a true and
10 accurate transcription to the best of my ability.
11 I certify further I am neither attorney nor
12 counsel for, nor related to, nor employed by any of
13 the parties to the action, and further, that I am
14 not a relative or an employee of any party in this
15 action, nor am I financially interested in the
16 outcome of this action.
17 Dated this 17th day of February, 2022.
18
19 _________________________
20 Karen M. Bellemare, FPR
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