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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001Minutes of Special Meeting Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Convened: 3:00 p.m. Adjourned: 4:38 p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 3:00 p.m. in Conference Room 3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan -Johnson, Chairman Gail Kavanagh, Vice -Chairman Jeanne Hearn Kevin Jackson Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan, City of Fort Pierce David Souza Members not present: Dan Nelson Stix Nickson Others present: John Arena, Earth First Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Bill Leshe', Indian River Terminal Company Shirley Burlingham, St. Lucie Waterfront Council Don West, St. Lucie County Engineering Heather Young, Asst. County Attorney Jack Connolly, Spanish Lakes Fairways Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee ,.. January 11, 2001 Page Two Agenda 1. Roll Call: Roll Call was taken. 2. Committee members to consider PortSecurity Plan for recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners Robert Bradshaw stated that each Committee member should have a packet with the original matrix in it and then presented members with a new matrix that was sent to the County on January 9, 2001. He explained that the documents were essentially the same and that the new one is titled Port Security Standards Compliance Plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he spoke with Mike Rubin of the Florida Ports Council and Steve Loral with the Governor's Office and they are recommending that the County take the information off of the original matrix and transfer it to the January 9 one. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Port of Fort Pierce is one of fourteen Seaports in Florida and the County is required under Florida Statute 311.12 to submit a Seaport Security Plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated the Governor's Office commissioned the Camber Corporations Statewide Security Assessment of Florida Seaports Study and that this is where recommendations are coming from. Mr. Bradshaw stated that on almost all of the categories the assessments came back with a finding of no finding of recommended initiatives and are recommending no specific action at this time. Mr. Bradshaw asked if this was making sense so far. Jeanne Hearn stated all except for the one regarding fencing. Mr. Bradshaw stated that if the Committee wanted to recommend to the Board of County Commissioners that we withdraw from that we could but that it was up to the Committee to decide. David Souza stated that this was private property. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this is for Harbour Pointe. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the reason we submitted this is because FSTED submitted a joint application to FDOT for TOP funding and we went ahead and put our project in but, if the Committee is not comfortable with that it can be recommended to the Board of County Commissioners that we do not follow through with that. Jeanne Hearn stated that it was her understanding that the fencing is perimeter fencing and when she asked about the perimeter they stated it would be the high water mark. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was correct. Jeanne Hearn stated that this would fence off the public use of the water. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was correct and that they were also recommending some lighting. Jeanne Hearn stated that she strongly objected to that. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was their prerogative to make a recommendation back to the Board of County Commissioners sitting as the Port Authority to not recommend that they pursue that. Jeanne Hearn asked if it had been clarified that Harbour Pointe was not purchased for Port intent at all by the people of this County. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it was his understanding that the property was purchased for commercial and recreational development. Jeanne Hearn stated not industrial development though. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was his understanding. Jeanne Hearn asked how it enters into the port. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it is considered part of the Port area and so again being one of the fourteen deep water seaports we are required to submit some type `4W of Security measure to address that. Mr. Bradshaw stated that based on the Camber report they basically look at us as an undeveloped port and that is why their recommendations are saying there is not really any action necessary at this time for us. Mr. Bradshaw stated that what we would like to do as the County is to act as the facilitator to bring in the private 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Three �h property owners in the port to help formulate or create a Security Committee to go about and address the Security issues. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we cannot use public tax dollars or public funding to subsidize private property security enhancements. Bill Leshe asked Mr. Bradshaw if he was sure of that. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes that he just got off the phone with both the Governor's office and the Florida Ports Council and both of them confirm that we cannot use public tax dollars or public monies to enhance the security issues. Jeanne Hearn asked if the TOPS money was public money. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes that is through the FDOT but that would be strictly for the twenty acres of Harbour Pointe and that would be all that it addresses. Jeanne Hearn asked what if Mr. Bell wanted to develop his property would we be responsible for those. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it would be his responsibility with our prompting to implement some type of security measure. Mr. Bradshaw stated as of now the assessment has come back that we are still undeveloped and there is not really any action needed at this time so there is really nothing to discuss. Jeanne Hearn stated that she is not worried about at this time she is concerned with the future if the drug situation or whatever increases are we going to have the responsibility to oversee security at the entire port that is in the ports master plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes he thought that the County would. Jeanne Hearn stated that she had looked at this and read it carefully and that it would be a lot of responsibility and she did not know whom in this County would have the time to monitor. Mr. Bradshaw stated to Mrs. Hearn that the Governor's office told her just as they told him that each port is unique and each port is different and that it is up to us to determine which criteria would apply to us. Mr. Bradshaw stated again the assessment study came back telling us none of it does right now because we are undeveloped and that this is what he is basing his position on as far as completing the matrix. Jeanne Hearn asked why we needed to fence Harbour Pointe then. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was up to the Committee and up to the Board of County Commissioners to determine that also. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he submitted that just to get our foot in the door for TOP funding to make sure our County was on the list. Commissioner Maryann Bryan stated that she just received the packet just fifteen minutes ago and has not had a chance to really read. Commissioner Bryan asked what kind of strings are attached to the funding. Mr. Bradshaw stated to remember that the funding for the security enhancement or security issues is from FDOT which is the Transportation Outreach Program money not FSTED dollars. Mr. Bradshaw stated that FSTED would submit the application on behalf of all fourteen seaports but that is not FSTED dollars it is FDOT dollars. Jeanne Hearn asked if it was in coordination with the funds. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes that FSTED would submit that on behalf of the seaport because it is a combined application and totals almost forty million dollars for the entire fourteen seaport requests. Commissioner Bryan asked Mr. Bradshaw to go back to what he said about getting the private owners together for. Mr. Bradshaw stated we as the County would like to act as a facilitator to bring in all the port private property owners and create a security committee which would sit down and address these issues. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this is what the Ports Council and the Governor's office are recommending that we do. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they recognize that we are an undeveloped port and are not at the stage as Tampa or any of the other bigger ports. Commissioner Bryan asked if they had ever initiated anything like that before, the port owners. Mr. Bradshaw stated that some of the other ports have but not here. Chairman Johnson stated that one of the things she was thinking about when the mention of facilitators was brought up which she stated she thought was a positive move thought that perhaps when they get together there could be some other funding. Chairman Johnson stated that she could understand tax dollars not %%W being spent but perhaps FDOT or FSTED could look to see if there is other funding that would help say like Indian River Terminal. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he characterized it as just another unfunded mandate and these are the requirements and criteria coming down from the State Legislators but there are no funds attached to it to subsidize it. Chairman 3 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Four Johnson stated that she has some real concerns with us putting this the Port of Fort Pierce has requested funds for lighting and fencing on Harbour Pointe because there are so much acreage behind us that if a boat or something wanted to come in. Chairman Johnson stated that she would like to see no specific action at this time be put there. Mr. Bradshaw stated then make that recommendation to the Board. Jeanne Hearn stated that she had her own recommendation and passed a copy out to the Committee members. Jeanne Hearn stated that this is the letter submitted and that she had a problem with getting involved too deeply with this at this point. Jeanne Hearn stated that we do not have anything that is considered a port we had a private business there operating for all these years and we have nothing to secure. Jeanne Hearn stated that she did not think that private entity which she did not know and asked Mr. Leshe' if we over see this and if the County is involved in overseeing the security of the port of Fort Pierce looking at the criteria we will have a major responsibility. Mr. Bradshaw stated that she needed to keep in mind the different levels of security because again they are not going to look at us as Port Everglades or Port Miami. Jeanne Hearn stated that she thought that we should make is clear up -front that we are different. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they recognized that. Jeanne Hearn asked if her scratching was understandable and asked if anyone had any questions. Jeanne Hearn stated that she wanted to put a little additional in the letter of Mr. Anderson's that clarifies. Chairman Johnson stated that Jeanne Hearn could present her proposal and if any other Committee members had any thing that they wanted to add or comment upon they could. Jeanne Hearn stated that a couple of them where personal opinions. Jeanne Hearn stated that one was an error on D2 and stated that Mr. Bell did not purchase the property from St. Lucie County. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it would be addressed later on. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Legislator abolished it and that the Board of County Commissioners is the Port Authority. Jeanne Hearn stated that she meant mainly who the port property was purchased by. Mr. Bradshaw stated that there were two errors. Jeanne Hearn stated that the third item was her opinion on fencing Harbour Pointe. Jeanne Hearn stated that she thought the bond issue would have to go back and be addressed personally whetherwe can fence that off from public access. Mr. Bradshaw stated to bear in mind that we are defined as one of the fourteen deep water seaports and we have to do this there are no if ands or buts about it. Jeanne Hearn stated that when she talked to Tallahassee it did not seem to be that way. Bob Bangert stated that the people of this County did not buy Harbour Pointe to be port property period. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it is evidently classified as part of the port. Bob Bangert stated that they will never get the people of this County to ever buy another piece of property I'll promise you that if you fence it in. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we are required now that we are defined or recognized as a deep water port that we have got to do this. Jeanne Hearn stated that maybe that parcel of land needed to be extracted from the port mater plan. Gilbert Kennedy stated that he thought the bond indenture should be addressed before decisions are made about this. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this has to be submitted by January 26, 2001 and hoped that he could get some type of consensus or recommendation today and get it back before the Board on the January 23 meeting. Chairman Johnson stated that what she wanted to do was have Jeanne Hearn make a formal presentation of her thoughts and ideal and if any other Board members wanted to they could also give their opinions. Chairman Johnson stated that she agreed with item three and asked Jeanne to go through all of the points. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would like to strike out in Mr. Anderson's letter to Mr. McDonough will adhere to the statewide minimum security standards as established and put in please be advised that the Port of Fort Pierce agrees in principal with the assessment findings and recommendations initiative as described in the Statewide Security Assessment of Florida and then continue down until after the two thousand. Jeanne Hearn stated that to her in principal we do but we are not contractually going into this thing full heartily and after talking to Tallahassee she stated that she does not think that it is necessary that we go full blast into this. Jeanne 4 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Five fir✓ Hearn stated that before the word moreover put in that we do not however agree to adhere to the Statewide Standards at this time because St. Lucie County owns no port or land designated for cargo port use. Jeanne stated that this would clarify the fact in her mind that we would make it clear that we do not own property at the port that is useable for cargo port use. Jeanne Hearn stated that she is no attorney. Heather Young stated that the concepts she is putting forth she has no problems with but that she may change the wording a little bit. Jeanne asked Heather if she understood what she was trying to say. Jeanne Hearn stated that she was just trying to lighten the load and let them know that we are not going to go along with all this stuff. Heather Young stated that we have to submit a plan and there is no question about that but what we put in the plan based on the report and based on what the State and the Governor's office have told Robert is obviously very minimal. Heather stated that really we do not have to do anything she stated that she thinks the ideal that we had of a committee was something that they liked. Jeanne Hearn stated that she is not concern with the present but is concerned with the future. Robert stated that he thinks what they are saying in the assessment about no specific action at this time and asked Jeanne if that is what she is saying. Jeanne Hearn stated no not at this time in the future as long as we don't own land there and we are not an owner. Jeanne Hearn stated that if we had property and we leased it to someone then that is different but this has nothing to do with us except this fourteen port status we are under. She stated that she would hate to think that people would say eventually lets get rid of that status and this will hurt our present port user and that is not fair to them because we've had that status and its being used because it keeps maintenance of the inlet but if later on down the line we keep getting pressure from other people we are going to have a problem. Jeanne Hearn stated that the third thing is that she is against fencing Harbour Pointe at the high water level to keep public access from that water. She stated that no drugs or anything that was the excuse but if I'm going to deal in drugs I'm not going to do it in broad daylight where there is not even a tree to hide behind. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it could be delete from the matrix. Jeanne Hearn stated that there are people that fish and picnic along that shore and stated that it may not always be the use of that property. Jeanne Hearn stated that on number four she defiantly wanted that corrected. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes that is the changes. Jeanne Hearn stated that this completed her recommendation. Chairman Johnson stated to back up to the item that stated development of admin process contingent upon development of back ground check procedure by (unable to understand the speaker). Mr. Bradshaw stated that it came from the Florida Ports Council and that he spoke with Mike Rubin today and that item can be deleted. Mr. Bradshaw stated that again that is a recommendation and they recognize the fact that we are a unique Port public/private and as far as the public entity is concerned we are an undeveloped area and again we have got to submit this in order to comply with the Florida Statue. Kevin Jackson stated that at Port Canaveral the Sheriff's department comes and checks every day to see if anyone has a warrant out on them or if a convicted felon if so then he is not going behind that gate. Chairman Johnson stated right and that is important and we could appreciate that for active ports. Jeanne Hearn stated are we going badge people on Harbour Pointe because this is part of the port property. Chairman Johnson stated that we can delete that and then also the one. Jeanne Hearn stated then you are deleting that. Mr. Bradshaw stated this is up to the Committee and the decision has to be made and then a recommendation will be made back to the board. Kevin Jackson stated that we do need that. Chairman Johnson stated they've got an attorney and some kinda of a plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the key is at this time. Chairman Johnson stated that it stands to reason that once things are developed, if they are ever developed, that would make sense. Kevin Jackson asked if they are just deleting it for right now until something happens because by them deleting it he thought maybe nothing was going to happen. Gerald Kuklinski stated that from what he sees there is no definition of what is a cargo port. The Terminal and Marcona are the only Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Six two real businesses and that other little thing. If that gets defined as the cargo port, everything else is left out. Is that a proper assumption? In other words, if you were to define what is the cargo port with the three entities, the rest of it should be excluded from the designation. Even though Bell owns that property it is not developed as a cargo facility. What you have now is a cargo facility. Chairman Johnson asked that he hold that and develop it a little more under public comment. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would like to make a motion on her suggestions. Robert Bradshaw asks if there is anything else on there. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he thought it was just the identification badging process and the fencing. Also, the amendments to the description on page D-2. Commissioner Maryann Bryan stated that there was another error. Mr. Bradshaw responds that under pertinent port information Number 2. Chairman Johnson said to go back up to one. Mr. Bradshaw quotes: Recent accomplishments - County sold much port land to Lloyd Bell that is incorrect. It was sold to WCI. Chairman Johnson explained to strike out County, WCI should go there. Mr. Bradshaw agrees. Mr. Bradshaw continues; On Number 2 - The recent initiatives implemented -Port Authority dissolved by County in '98. It was dissolved by the state legislature. The County did not have the authority to do that. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he thought that was all of the amendments we had. Chairman Johnson stated that Number 3 on the pertinent port information was a concern to her. Initiatives on horizon: Reestablishment of Port Authority. Mr. Bradshaw explained that this came from the Camber Report. It would be up to the Harbor Advisory Committee to make a recommendation back to the Board of County Commissioners. Chairman Johnson questions as to why they would dissolve it and then - where did the Camber report get that kind of information to make a statement like that? Jeanne Hearn states that she tried to find out from Tallahassee as to where they are getting this wild and wacky stuff. Chairman Johnson stated that she is wondering if it would be as before with the County Commission being the Port Authority, or are they insinuating an independent Port Authority. An independent Port Authority she would liken to a separate taxing district and does not think that is fair and would not support any further tax encumbrances on our citizens. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this should be amended. Jeanne Hearn stated that reestablishment would mean that it would go back to the County Commission. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Commission currently sits as the Port Authority and he understands that it would be a separate entity as a Port Authority. Heather Young explained that previously it was a separate entity with the Board sitting as the governing board of the Authority. She stated that she did not know what they meant by putting this in there. Chairman Johnson stated that this is very provocative and a critical statement and I would like staff to look into the genesis of this. Jeanne Hearn asked what about number 2 or the second part of Number 2 — Port now run by County. Are we now running Indian River Terminal, or what does that mean? Mr. Bradshaw stated that from the public sector end of it that is what it is referring to, it is not referring to the private entities. We control our property like the others. Jeanne Hearn stated that the Port Master Plan states that the Port is a boundary which would include Indian River Terminal. This statement says that we are running Indian River Terminal. Heather Young explained that when the Authority was dissolved the Legislature transferred all the property, because it was the Port and Airport Authority, it was all transferred back to the County along with all its obligations. In that sense, what previously the Port & Airport Authority had over the Port area came to the County, but it did not change the ownership of the property, which is still private, etc. That we run the Port is misleading. Jeanne Hearn stated that we need to get this stuff in Tallahassee straight. Chairman Johnson stated that maybe we should not include the statement - Ports now run by County. Bill Leshe stated that he thinks it may just be wording. Should be "governed" by the County as the Port Authority. The County is the governing body. Chairman Johnson stated that her feeling was to do away with Item 3. Kevin Jackson asked who made this paper up? Robert Bradshaw responds that the Camber Corporation was contracted by the 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Seven Governor's office to do the security assessments of all the 14 seaports. Kevin Jackson continued that he has a problem with Number 4 stating just labor base and not knowing what it might be. Labor base should be identified. Possibly as Mixed since it is union and non -union. Chairman Johnson advises to delete Item #3 unless the genesis of it is found out as it came in the report. Also, put mixed labor base. Jeanne Hearn stated that we have aragonite up there, is it still a port commodity? Bill Leshe affirms that the aragonite is still coming through. Jeanne Hearn asked about cement, too. Bill Leshe stated that in the two and one-half years he has been there he has not seen cement. Robert Bradshaw asked Bill Leshe if he was going to get updated numbers on tonnage and things. Bill Leshe responded that he would get what he could. Jeanne Hearn asked if they were more or less than this. Bill Leshe responded not sure what the tonnage is .12 metric tons. Chairman Johnson stated onto Roads, Florida Turnpike. Gail Kavanagh asked about the report/recommendations done by Camber Corporation. They have submitted the report to us to make recommendations to the County based on this report. Is that correct? Robert Bradshaw explained that it is required by FSTED and the committee has just received a courtesy copy of the report. Gail Kavanagh continued that the committee is changing 70% of the report, by just a courtesy copy. Is that our charge - to correct things that we see are not correct, in our opinion, and to present that to the County. Robert Bradshaw stated that he would like to submit this as a package, the overview and the security recommendations and the cover letter and the security plan itself. Gail Kavanagh continued with the question if anyone else had seen the report or had any input into it other than the committee. Robert Bradshaw said the Board had also seen a courtesy copy and noted the mistakes, but it is good for this committee to look at it and correct it and get it updated. Gail Kavanagh continued that when the committee gets through correcting the report and the areas that we think should be changed then we will present this to the County and ask the County to consider it or not consider it. They need to make a decision by the 26`h. Robert Bradshaw stated that he is going to try to agenda it by January 23 at the evening meeting for consideration by the Board. Jeanne Hearn stated that most of the written material seems to be fairly accurate. Gil Kennedy stated the January 2 cover letter from John LaCapra to Doug Anderson specifically requests that each port submit their own suggested changes to this Camber report. That is why we you all are discussing it. Robert Bradshaw stated that it is an overview of the report, but it is time to make minor changes. Jeanne Hearn asked what the subject for tomorrow's conference call was. Robert Bradshaw informed her that it is basically to go over the formal proceedings. Jeanne Hearn asked Mr. Bradshaw if he had gone over that yet. Mr. Bradshaw responded he had only briefly gone over it. Jeanne Hearn stated that someone in the County needs to really read through them as she thinks they are very technical. She stated that they concern her a great deal for our size port. Bill Leshe asked if the matrix that is referred to in the first package. The Port of Fort Pierce minimum local security provisions. This document was completed by Indian River Corporation? Robert Bradshaw stated that it came from the Florida Ports Council, noted at bottom, based on the Camber Assessment. Bill Leshe confirmed that this was completed by the Florida Ports Council. Jeanne Hearn asked if the second one was as well. Robert Bradshaw confirmed that both were Florida Ports Council. Jeanne Hearn questioned why they were not presented together so we would have a chance. Jeanne stated that when she talked to them today they were very loose and did not know which end was up. Like it is all up for grabs and we are going to try to impose this thing and will see what kind of feed back we get. Jeanne Hearn stated that she asked if we did nothing would we fall out of line. Jeanne Hearn stated that it is one of these governmental ploys so lets I*W respond carefully. Robert Bradshaw stated that we are responding carefully. The essential recommendations are that there is nothing for us to do at this time. Again, we mentioned about the formation or creation of a security committee between the public and the private. I believe that is what they are looking for from us. We are undeveloped. Chairman Johnson 7 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Eight clarified that it was from a facilitator standpoint. Robert Bradshaw continued that both from the Governor's office and the Florida Ports Council that it was an excellent idea. Chairman Johnson agrees that it is a good idea because the current people there could possibly get some funding to do what they need to do. Bill Leshe asked again about the matrix and whose established goals, objectives, and standards these are and are they the minimum security standards that are required. Mr. Bradshaw stated to use the January ninth Matrix because that would be the standards that we would be working off of now. Bill Leshe stated that he was just trying to understand whose goals, objectives and standards these are. Mr. Bradshaw stated that what they recommend we do is to take the information off of this January 2 matrix and transfer them to the January 9 which essentially is no finding or recommendations and no action at this time. Jeanne Hearn stated that she is concerned with Indian River Terminal sitting there looking at this. She stated that if she owned Indian River Terminal and was looking at this and would have to start implementing these security measure someone would have a big bill to pay. She stated that for their size operation if the State comes down later and says ok you all signed off on this and its time to tow the mark you got a lot of marks to tow. She stated that these things need to be read carefully be Indian River Terminal and by the County to see just what we are buying into here without putting some stipulations like she suggested which are probably very weak to protect ourselves and say we are different here. Chairman Johnson stated that what Robert stated No action at this time. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this is the whole key to the whole package. Jeanne Hearn stated that at this time is weak. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he knows that we are still mandated to adopt a security plan. Jeanne Hearn stated that she did not like at this time because we need to leave the door sorta closed until things really change and then we would go back and address it. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we do not have that luxury. Gilbert Kennedy stated that the context of this entire conservation is entry of foreign drugs into this Country and stated that he did not think that anybody ever suggested that the Indian River Terminal is a weak point in that defense and there is not a foreign trade at the Indian River Terminal and so most of these security provisions envision those kinds of settings and that is not the kind of setting we have here. Mr. Bradshaw stated that is why they are recommending that we respond with NO NOT APPLICABLE AT THIS TIME. Jeanne Hearn stated that next week they could come back and say we decided that we are going do Statewide. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we are mandated by the State to present something. Heather Young stated that we are mandated by the State to adhere to the Statewide plan and stated that as she understands the report that the Camber group put together and presented to the Ports Council identified different levels of criteria for minimum level of Security and moderate and maximum and under those criteria we fell at the bottom which is appropriate and stated that we need to submit a plan that reflects all of the elements and gives our status as a minimum security threat no action is required. Heather Young stated that she understood Jeanne Hearn's concern regarding about at this time but under this plan she assumes it was conceivable that should things change at the Port and we rise to the second or first level then we would need to readdress these issues. Heather Young stated that she thought by having a Security Committee it would bring the private folks in and make them aware of what these issues are with the State and should things change dramatically because they would have to change dramatically at the Port for us to rise to the next level and then we will have to readdress them but at this point what is being recommended is certainly appropriate in her opinion. Mr. Bradshaw stated that to follow up on that here on the seaport security plan for our Port are listed the preliminary assessment, threat assessment and the recommended action again of no recommended 1�4✓ initiatives. Mr. Bradshaw stated that NO NOT APPLICABLE AT THIS TIME would be placed on all of them. Jeanne Hearn stated on all of them. Heather Young stated that she thought it should not be put on the Security Committee because that was the one element that the Committee we should put in and from a practical standpoint that would be a good 8 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Nine idea. Jeanne Hearn asked if as a Board would they be able to hear back from the Security Committee on that before things are finalized or will it just involve the private properties. Heather Young stated that the way she would envision it would be as Robert said the County would act as a facilitator to bring those private interests together to discuss those issues and let everyone know what everyone thinks and what they are doing and the direction as a group in that sense they want to take to make sure there some coordination and she stated that she did not see why the Committee would not be kept informed as to their decisions and recommendations would be. Chairman Johnson asked for any other comments from Committee members. Kevin Jackson asked if Committee members needed to vote on the issue of pulling all of the landowners together for a Security Committee. Mr. Bradshaw stated that yes that would be part of the Committee recommendation for the Security Plan to create a Port Security Committee. Jeanne Hearn asked if that would be a voluntary Committee or mandatory. Heather Young stated that in light that the County does not own the property or lease the property it will probably be somewhat voluntary, but she did not personally know why they would not want to send a representative. Heather Young stated that in some sense almost an informal Committee that would get together. Chairman Johnson stated with the County showing that we are willing to work. Jeanne Hearn stated then at this time it would be a two -man Committee with Indian River Terminal and the Oil Company. Jeanne Hearn stated that the Oil Company was really not a cargo entity. Mr. Bradshaw stated Mr. Bell or whoever is representing whomever is down there. Mr. Bradshaw asked Mr. Leshe if they met today and how many they had at the meeting. Mr. Leshe stated that they had about fourteen. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would like to get everybody that is in that area involved. Bill Leshe asked Mr. Bradshaw to help him understand the roll of the Port Authority as the governing body over the Port as define by the Master Plan or any Plan for that matter and what the roll is as the governing body and what management obligation you might have, what marketing obligation you may have, what maintenance obligations you may have and do you have any obligations. Mr. Leshe asked if he could throw this up for discussion. He stated that we obviously have a Security obligation or we would not be sitting here having this meeting. David Souza stated that this was probably the wrong group to be asking that question. Chairman Johnson stated yes really seriously and that it should be asked or addressed to the County Commission. She stated that she was sensitive to his concerns but did not think that this was the body for that. Chairman Johnson asked for any other comments from the Committee. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would like to go back to her letter and putt in some additional information in the letter that the County sends to the Governor's office. Chairman Johnson stated that it would be amended draft two Mr. Anderson and asked the pleasure of the Committee. She stated that council said she did not have a serious problem. Heather stated that we could not say that we will not adhere to the Statewide Standards and that the language could be worked on, but that it is was very clear in the statute that we are required to do that. Conceptually from a practical standard point what is required under our circumstances obviously is different from other folks. Jeanne Hearn stated that the Governor's office indicated that as long as we submit our answers we do not have to be real technical about it. She stated that the size of our Port isn't like the other Ports and we are not under scrutiny like. Chairman Johnson stated like the fact as Heather was saying and it is now on record in light of the fact that we do not own any property. Jeanne Hearn asked about the fencing issue of Harbour Pointe. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was up to the advisory board as to the recommendation you want to make back to the Board of County Commissioners. Chairman Johnson stated she thought they agreed to strike that out and say no specific action as the rest of the items. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would like to do that one separately and make a motion to that effect. She stated that she thought that it would be a big issue. Chairman Johnson asked who would like to make the motion. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would. Jeanne Hearn stated 9 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Ten that she moved that we do not condone any fencing of Harbor Pointe on the water edge or anywhere from the eastern side or north side at all. Commissioner Maryann Bryan seconded the motion. Chairman Johnson called for discussion. Gail Kavanagh asked if that would mean that they would have to withdraw the request for funding from TOP. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes he would have to go back to FSTED. Gail stated that all the funding requests would have to be withdrawn. Chairman Johnson stated that if we fence that area people could still get in on all the other property around there. David Souza stated that we should just put a fence on the adjoining property and not to the water edge. Jeanne Hearn stated that she did not think that this was the intent of the money that the money was to be used for security from drugs. Gail Kavanagh asked how much money. Mr. Bradshaw stated one hundred thousand dollars which also included lighting. Comm. Bryan asked Jeanne Hearn if her motion included lighting. Jeanne Hearn stated that she was not concerned about the lighting. She stated that if they wanted to light Harbour Pointe that was fine with her but the fencing is where she had an objection. Jeanne Hearn stated that she did not know if we need to spend money to light Harbour Pointe since it is closed at night. Kevin Jackson asked if we turn this money down would we be able to go back later and obtain the funding or would we lose out. Chairman Johnson stated that Jeanne stated she did not have a real problem with the lighting. Gail Kavanagh stated that she was trying to keep the money. Mr. Bradshaw stated this was the reason they submitted this initially just to open the avenue for funding. Mr. Bradshaw stated that if we actually do it, which we probably wont because realistically how do we fence off a twenty -acre track. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would amend her motion to leave the lighting, if it is not subjecting us to admission that the property is a cargo port opportunity. She stated that if that money in any way is entangled with FSTED for cargo development then, she does not want that money. She stated that the property is not designed or bought by the people for that purpose ever. She stated that she wanted to make that clear and that this would be the only way she would take it out of the motion. Chairman Johnson stated that they needed to refine Jeanne motion. Jeanne Hearn asked Heather Young if she had an answer to whether that is part of the grant. Heather stated that she was not familiar with those grant programs, but assumed that the lighting would be appropriate for recreational or commercial. Jeanne Hearn asked if that was what these funds were for. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they are ear marked for security measures. Heather stated that then security would apply to that property no matter what it was used for she assumed. Jeanne Hearn asked then that would not designate that as a cargo area because we are accepting funding. Heather stated that she thought they were more concerned with people coming in on that property and lighting would hopefully deter anything like that. Gilbert Kennedy asked if anyone had talked with the police or the Marine Patrol about this. Mr. Kennedy asked if Harbour Pointe was an active drug transportation unloading point. Bob Bangert asked about the recreation part of the property and would it be fenced in too. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the intent is to just keep the avenue open for funding because realistically we would not do it. Kevin Jackson stated that he just didn't want to lose out on the funding and later on decide that this is what we want to do and we lost one hundred thousand dollars and can't go back and reach it. David Souza stated that we are dealing with public access not dealing with cargo or an ongoing concern at that point. Chairman Johnson stated that we have a motion and discussion. Bill Leshe asked if the recommendation for lighting and fencing was also recommended by the Florida Ports Council. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it came from the County. Mr. Leshe stated that in light of what was mentioned by Mr. Kennedy earlier in the meeting would it be appropriate since fencing is such an issue here maybe to get the Florida Ports Council take on the recommendation some type of security force like Gil had mentioned like Marine Patrol to log their patrols on that area vice putting up fencing. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it would be an option. David Souza stated that the Marine Patrol is just about non existence in this area. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was the key. Mr. Leshe 10 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Eleven asked Mr. Bradshaw if they would fund something like that. Mr. Bradshaw stated that all he could say is that the County submitted the grant application through FSTED for the fencing and the lighting. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we could go back and see and that he thought it was a viable option. Jeanne Hearn stated that we have Police protection in that area. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes from the City of Fort Pierce. Jeanne Hearn stated that they patrol all the time and does not think they have had any problems. She stated that there are bums that live all over the area. Mr. Leshe asked what area she was referring to. Jeanne Hearn stated just Harbour Pointe. Mr. Leshe stated that other then a couple of operations that may have taken place on that property he has no knowledge of anything. Jeanne Hearn stated that type of activity takes place all over the County. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would uncomplicated things by making a new motion to state that we take off the lighting and the fencing because she firmly believes it will probably not pass, but she stated that these funds are readily available from FSTED for almost anything because they really want to get rid of funds so she stated she believed that later on down the line we could reapply for what she thought was a minimal amount of money from FSTED. Chairman Johnson stated that the motion was seconded by Comm. Mary Ann Bryan. Chairman Johnson stated that the motion is to strike. All those in favor let it be known by a sign of aye and those opposed. Chairman Johnson stated that there are two that are opposed so the Ayes have it. Chairman Johnson stated that the Committee would strike and state no specific action. Discussion ensued regarding the documents that needed to be voted on. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would go back to the January 9 Matrix and insert not applicable at this time. Chairman Johnson stated that staffs recommendation. Jeanne Hearn asked where it would be put regarding the Committee is it one on the matrix or would it be put in the letter. Chairman Johnson asked is it in the matrix or being put in the letter. Mr. Bradshaw stated that standing Security Committee on page 7 number 11 A. Chairman Johnson read Port management will sponsor or conduct a regularly scheduled forum at least once every three months at which all stake holders and Port Security is invited to participate and discuss security issues. Chairman Johnson stated that was the one we would respond on. Jeanne Hearn asked about number twelve. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it was a separate issue in itself and that we are looking at either creating or updating a new Master Plan for the Port. Chairman Johnson stated that in that Master Plan then we put the security. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was part of the criteria. Jeanne Hearn stated that if we put into all of the columns not applicable then except for eleven. Chairman Johnson stated your point is that we should state with plans to proceed with the Port Master Plan. Jeanne Hearn stated yes to number eleven. Mr. Bradshaw stated right yes ma'am. Jeanne Hearn asked if there was anything else to be put in. Chairman Johnson asked if anyone else saw any other applicable items. Chairman Johnson stated hearing none and asked Robert what his suggestion was to state. Mr. Bradshaw stated to adopt the Port Security Standard Compliance Plan as not applicable at this time in all catagorize except 11 a and 12a. Chairman Johnson asked for a motion to except that. Kevin Jackson made the motion it was seconded by Jeanne Hearn and the motion passed unanimously. Jeanne Hearn asked if the other one was completely gone. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes. Jeanne Hearn asked about the back up material D3. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was just there for information it came out of the Camber assessment. Mr. Bradshaw stated that really we just have the cover letter and the Port of Fort Pierce Seaport Security Plan which is just an outline of the preliminary assessments threat and recommended action. Jeanne Hearn asked if this was due by January 12. Mr. Bradshaw stated by the 26". Chairman Johnson stated that the next item was to consider the cover letter that Jeanne amended. Heather Young stated that her recommendation would be to leave the letter as it was drafted by Mr. Anderson, but to add prior to the last sentence and say in recognition of the fact that St. Lucie County owns no land designated for Cargo Port use, this is the Port of Fort Pierce land. Chairman Johnson asked for it to be read one more time. Heather stated that we are just basically 11 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Twelve adding a phrase to the beginning of the last sentence. Chairman Johnson as if it started Port of Fort Pierce minimum. Heather stated insert right after physical year 2000-2001 to start that sentence as follows in recognition of the fact that St. Lucie County owns no land designated for Cargo Port use at the Port of Fort Pierce, this is the Port of Fort Pierce minimum Security Plan. Jeanne Hearn asked if they could go back to Statewide Security assessment at the end of the first sentence if we leave in as submitted by St. Lucie County rather then the Camber Corporation because that would no longer. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it was submitted to the Governor's office. Heather Young stated that those are the Statewide Standards which we are not addressing because we did not create the Statewide Standards the Ports Council group did based on the Camber company. Heather stated that we are required to adhere to those minimum Statewide Standards so they need the language saying that we are agreeing with our statuary obligation to do so. Jeanne Hearn asked if what she was saying is that we have to agree to these Statewide Standards. Heather stated that we do not have a choice about it, but something we may also want to add or make a notation saying please note that certain factual error in the information included in the report are noted. Jeanne Hearn stated that was true, but that she was concerned that we are agreeing to this much detail and stated that she has a lot of concern about it, because she did not know if we had to agree with this after her conversation with Tallahassee. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would not vote for it. Chairman Johnson stated she thought with Tallahassee giving us certain things she would like to hear it from them and see it from them in writing and that is a whole different story. She stated that she thinks the fact that we are doing no applicable with the other two. Jeanne Hearn stated that she thinks we should try to protect ourselves in some way rather then just say we accept and let them come back and scold us and put the pressure on us at that time. She stated that she thought this was far from being resolved seeing these papers being shot out this week and not giving people the opportunity to read them. She stated that she did not think that they could cram it down our throats that quick. Chairman Johnson stated that she understood that. Chairman Johnson stated that this could be done one of two ways. She stated that they could vote on Jeannes draft or staffs recommendation. Jeanne Hearn stated that she had a question for Mr. Leshe. She asked if his group of fourteen people that met have they looked at this type of. Mr. Leshe (response unable to be heard). Jeanne Hearn stated that she had a hard time she's sorry. Chairman Johnson asked what the pleasure of the Committee was and how they wanted to deal with the draft letter. Comm. Bryan asked if we were just talking about the letter. Chairman Johnson stated yes. Jeanne Hearn stated that they did not have to act on her letter, that it was her opinion. Comm. Bryan stated there are some good points. Chairman Johnson stated again what is the pleasure of the Committee. Do we want to vote on Jeanne amendment or the recommendation from staff? Comm. Bryan stated that she would make a motion that we accept staff recommendation for the cover letter. Motion was seconded by David Souza. Chairman Johnson stated that it had been moved and seconded to accept staff recommendation for a cover letter all in favor let it be known by a sign of aye and opposed. Chairman Johnson stated that the ayes have it with one opposed. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the last item was the Seaport Security Plan which basically outlined the preliminary assessment, threat assessment that came out of the Camber assessment and the recommend action which just reflects what we did on the matrix, which is in the first packet. Chairman Johnson asked what the Committee was being asked to do with this. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Committee needed to make a recommendation on this also this would be part of the package to be presented to the Board. Chairman Johnson stated Seaport Security Plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes and as you can see being essentially undeveloped we do not have. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this just mirrors what was approved on the matrix. Jeanne Hearn asked if on page D4 Turnpike should be added there to keep it consistent. Mr. Bradshaw stated that all that was being considered was the one page 12 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Thirteen right now. Comm. Bryan asked Heather if she had any recommendation on this. Heather stated that the item was really straightforward. Comm. Bryan moved that the Committee accept the document the motion was seconded by Kevin Jackson. Chairman Johnson stated that the motion had been made and seconded to accept or recommend she stated "before the call for the vote little evidence of active Port management by the County." Chairman Johnson stated that all have heard the motion and second all in favor of accepting this report by staff to be included in the packet let is be know by the sign of aye and opposed same sign. She stated that the ayes have it. Mr. Bradshaw stated that would take care of what would be recommended back to the board of County Commissioners. Jeanne Hearn asked the meeting date this would be submitted to the Commission. Mr. Bradshaw stated the twenty third at the evening meeting. 3. Public Comment Mr. Bradshaw handed Chairman Johnson a letter from RobertAnderson to be read into the record. Chairman Johnson read the letter into the minutes please see attached copy. Bob Bangert stated he was not sure when Harbor Branch or Harbour Pointe was changed to Port property anymore then the Historical Museum site, anymore then the State Inlet Recreation Park, anymore then Taylor Creek Marine, anymore then Harbor Town. Mr. Bangert stated that it was Cotton Property for twenty some years before the County got the citizens to buy it and in fact until the Conservation Alliance and the Waterfront Council went out and busted their butts to get the taxpayers to buy that piece of property. Mr. Bangert stated that it was never intended to be port property it was to be recreation and some commercial, marine commercial not port property. Mr. Bangert asked when it got classified as port property and by whom. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we would have to do a little digging and find the answer. Mr. Bangert stated that whomever is responsible for that should be answering to the public. Bill Leshe stated that the 89 Master Plan included the Cotton Property so he suspected that is how this was included as a property within the port boundaries. Chairman Johnson stated that this is further indication that we need to start working on the Port and Port Master Plan. Jack Connolly stated that he agreed with Bob that if this was not classified as Port Property to begin with or if it was classified as Port Property to begin with before this was sold it was not so stated when it was first bought. Jack Connolly stated that he would also like to know when it was classified as Port Property. Bob Bangert stated that he would like to know by who. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would try to find out. Chairman Johnson stated that she thought a good place to start would be the 89 Port Master Plan. Jeanne Hearn asked if it could be amended when the Port Master Plan is done. Heather Young stated that there are several areas like where Chuck's Seafood is that were at one time considered Port Property. Gil Kennedy stated that he was sure that Bill was absolutely right about the 1989 Port Master Plan and it is a Port by definition and according to the DCA people that were here several weeks ago chapter 403 can be changed too. He stated that we could decide that we do not want a Port if we want. She stated that it is just a Port by definition. Chairman Johnson asked for comments. Chairman Johnson stated that hearing none she would accept a motion to adjourn. 13 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 11, 2001 Page Fourteen 4. Adjournment Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Gail Kavanagh, to adjourn, the motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 4:38p.m. Respectfully submitted, Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary C: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee: Delores Hogan -Johnson, Chairman Dan Nelson Gail Kavanagh, Vice Chairman Kevin Jackson Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Jeanne Hearn Douglas M. Anderson, County Administrator Robert J. Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Ray Wazny, Public Works Director Don West, County Engineer 14 Minutes Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee meeting February 27, 2001 Convened: 3:00 p.m. Adjourned: 4:59 p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Thursday, February 27, 2001 at 3:00 p.m. in Conference Room 3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan -Johnson, Chairman (late 3:04pm) Kevin Jackson, Vice -Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan, City of Fort Pierce David Souza (late 3:06pm) Stix Nickson Philip S. Steel(late 3:04pm) Members not present: All members present Others present: Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Bill Leshe', Indian River Terminal Company Don West, St. Lucie County Engineering Heather Young, Asst. County Attorney Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Betty Lou Wells David Hefflebower, Harbor Town Kenneth Roberts, The Port Group Robert P. Anderson, Resident Indrio Julia Shewchuk, SLC - Economic Development Liz Martin, Executive Assistant to Comm. Hutchinson Barbara Felton, Executive Assistant to Comm. Lewis Patti Tobin, SLC - Economic Development Julie McKay, South Hutchinson Island Emily Grande, South Hutchinson Island Charles Grande, President Council Hutchinson Island Carla Roccapriore, Tribune, Reporter Jim Reeder, The Palm Beach Post, Reporter SK Patel, BCI Engineers Dr. Brian Bowman, IFAS Chris Wilson, IFAS Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee ,,,► February 27, 2001 Page Two Agenda 1. Roll Call: Roll Call was taken. 2. Public Comment Robert Anderson asked if anyone had the cost of the public land that needs to be purchased for the flyover for the road extensions. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we would need to obtain it from Marty Sanders. Robert Anderson stated that he wanted the actual cost for the property that needs to be bought and also the Realtors that would be involved. Don West stated that Marty Sanders would get an estimate of what they thought it would cost for the purchase of the public property but wanted to remind everyone that this project is so preliminary that at this point the property has not been identified that we need to buy or how much and real-estate company are not even in the equation and that it would probably be three years before the property is purchased. Robert Anderson stated that he understood that but wanted to have an input on the amount of money that the County itself would have to come up with. 3. Update on Taylor Creek Restoration by Don West and Shailesh K. Patel, BCI Engineers. SK Patel explained that BCI Engineers are under contract with St. Lucie County to help look at the Taylor Creek Restoration Project. SK came to give an update presentation to the Committee members. SK gave a brief synopsis of information that they have obtained in terms of the project and what they hope to accomplish. Please see attached information on presentation given. Stix asked what is the time frame for the selection of a site. Sk stated that it would take two months from the date of the contract. Betty Lou Wells asked if they are looking at Harbor Pointe, our recreation area as a possible site. SK asked if she would like for them to because they would like to look at all the possible sites and Harbor Pointe would be the best site. Betty Lou Wells stated that she did not want them to consider that site. SK stated that Mr. Bells property is not too far off and that he had offered his property as a temporary site. SK stated that Mr. Bell had low laying areas that he may want to fill with this fill. SK stated that in the State of Florida when you dredge material and sell it or give it away to private use there is a tax assessed which he thought was $1.25. Bob Bangert asked how this would fit with Fort Pierce saying no dumping in the City. SK stated that one of their goals is meeting with the City of Fort Piece he stated that the City does not have an ordinance that says you cannot place dredged material on our site. SK stated that the City may be willing to work with St. Lucie County and its people for a temporary site if it meets the criteria and benefits the people of St. Lucie County and the Indian River Lagoon. Phil Steel stated that any construction sites in this area have to be at least 71/2 foot above sea level so if we want to build on the park site or put in a hotel or whatever that should be 2 considered as being used as fill. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee February 27, 2001 Page Three Jeanne Hearn asked for a visualization of how much material this is. She asked if Harbor Pointe is twenty acres how deep would this be on the twenty acres. SK stated that probably on a twenty -acre site going on his knowledge of Turkey Creek it may be perhaps five to six feet of material. Jeanne Hearn asked if there was any type of bonding mechanism to be worked into something like this. She stated that a lot of projects are intended to last six months or a year and then contractors begin to drag their feet for some reason is there anything. SK stated that all of their projects are bonded because these projects have to happen. SK asked for any comments on the proposed scope. Phil Steel stated that he would like to see it get going because we have been talking about it for years. SK stated this is way he wanted to make a presentation to the Harbor Advisory committee and let Committee members know so that he could get their blessing that they at least agree with the scope of the work and the plan because we have logical sequence to the way we want the project to go. SK stated if not then he would really like to hear about it now instead of later. Stix Nickson stated that he would like to make a motion. Chairman Johnson stated that she had a comment to make prior to his motion. She stated that she was pleased to see that they would be considering the Airport site and the old County Landfill area north of the County. Stix made a motion to recommend to the Count Commission that they y pursue the Taylor Creek Restoration Project, look into it and proceed forward, the motion was seconded by Kevin Jackson. Chairman Johnson stated that a motion for the Harbor Advisory Committee has been made to recommend that we accept the report from BCI Engineers and that they move forward. Chairman Johnson called for discussion on the motion. Jeanne Hearn stated that she had a hard time recommending this without knowing the additional cost factors that may be involved or how much the cost has increased since the last proposal seeing that the County is on a tight Budget. She also had concern with the sediment qualities. Jeanne stated that she had no problem dredging Taylor Creek but did not want to give her blessings and have it interpreted that the Committee is gun-ho with the project. Stix stated that he had understood her concerns but thought that the County Commission should be taking up the position on what is cost effective and if they can afford it or not. Stix stated that he thought that the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committees job was to make sure the project is feasible and doable and then pass it along to the County Commission so that they can then see that the financial structure of it. Jeanne Hearn stated that she did not know why we need to vote on it then. Stix stated because we want to recommend to the Commission that they go forward. David Souza stated concept. Stix stated as Phil said we have been talking about it for years. David Souza stated that he thought this was the best plan of action he's heard so far and it makes more sense then what we have had in the past. Chairman Johnson asked for a show of hands of those in favor of the motion. The Motion passed 5-1 for the Harbor Advisory Committee to recggmmend to the St. Lucie County Commission to look into and proceed forward with the Taylor Creek Restoration Project. 4. Presentation by Representatives of the Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences (IFAS) on Water Quality/Quantity Best Management Practices Dr. Brian Bowman explained to the Committee the purpose of Best Management Practices which are directed at enhancing and protecting the water resources of the Indian River Lagoon and St. Lucie Estuary Watersheds. Please see attached copy of the booklet given out V the meeting. M Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee February 27, 2001 Page Four 5. Other Business Stix Nickson stated that he has been gathering information and has heard a lot of reports on economic and environmental. Stix read from the Florida Sea Ports/ Florida Ports Councils Report of January 2001. Stix stated that the Harbor Advisory Committee is studying what the Port is and what it should be doing and what it shouldn't be doing and things of that sort. Stix exerted some of the key highlights of the report for the Harbor Advisory Committee. Because of time constraints it was suggested by Jeanne Hearn and confirmed by Committee members that this item be reagenda for the March 27 Harbor Advisory meeting. Robert Bradshaw stated that he would get copies of this report to all Committee members and put this item on the March 27 agenda. 6. Adjournment Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Kevin Jackson, seconded by Jeanne Hearn, to adjourn, the motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 4:59p.m. Respectfully submitted, Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary C: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee: Delores Hogan -Johnson, Chairman Dan Nelson Gail Kavanagh, Vice Chairman Kevin Jackson Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Jeanne Hearn Douglas M. Anderson, County Administrator Robert J. Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Ray Wazny, Public Works Director Don West, County Engineer II Minutes Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee meeting March 27.2001 Convened: 3:14 p.m. Adjourned: 5:06 p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 3:00 p.m. in Conference Room 3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan -Johnson, Chairman (late 3:16pm) Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan, City of Fort Pierce David Souza Stix Nickson Philip S. Steel Members not present: Kevin Jackson, Vice -Chairman Others present: Bill Leshe', Indian River Terminal Company Don West, St. Lucie County Engineering Heather Young, Asst. County Attorney Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Betty Lou Wells, Conservation Alliance Kenneth Roberts, The Port Group Robert P. Anderson, Resident Indrio Liz Martin, Executive Aide to Comm. Hutchinson Barbara Felton, Executive Aide to Comm. Lewis Emily Grande, South Hutchinson Island Charles Grande, President Council Hutchinson Island Carla Roccapriore, Tribune, Reporter John Arena, Earth First Mike Ednoff, St. Lucie County Barbaralee Seelinger, Executive Aide to Comm. Bruhn Victoria Stalls, Executive Aide to Comm. Barnes H. B. Holmes Jr., Higher Dimensions Community Development Corp. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee March 27, 2001 Page Two Agenda 1. Roll Call: Roll Call was taken. Roll call was taken to elect a Committee member to conduct the meeting in the absence of the Chairman and Vice Chairman. Jeanne Hearn nominated Stix Nickson due to the fact that the item on the agenda was being presented by him. Other Committee members concurred and Mr. Nickson accepted. Chairman Johnson arrived later and conducted the meeting. 2. Approve minutes from January 11, 2001 Special meeting Jeanne Hearn stated that she would like to change the minutes to reflect the following changes. On page five defiantly to definitely and on page nine change putt to put. It was moved by, Philip Steel, seconded by David Souza, to approve the minutes of the January 11, 2001 Special meeting with the above changes. Motion carried unanimously. 3. Approve minutes from January 23, 2001 meeting It was moved by, Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Stix Nickson, to approve the minutes of the January 23, 2001 meeting. Motion carried unanimously. 4. Approve minutes from February 27, 2001 meeting It was moved by, Comm. Mary Ann Bryan, seconded by Jeanne Hearn, to approve the minutes of the February 27, 2001 meeting. Motion Carried unanimously. 5. Public Comment Charles Grande suggested that public comment follow item six on the agenda. He stated that public comment might be better served following the main subject on the agenda. Chairman Johnson stated that there would be an opportunity for the public to make a statement at that time. She stated that with all presentations she would give everyone the opportunity to ask questions during that presentation. John Arena stated that at past meeting he has been advocating a limitation on the length of ships allowed to come into the Fort Pierce Harbor. He stated that it seems as if the message is not registering because he is not getting feed back and it doesn't seem to be important to anyone. Mr. Arena commented on reasons he believes this should be done. Bob Bangert stated that it was the Conservation Alliance that introduced Black and Veech to the County Commission for the dredging of Taylor Creek, so that it would not be Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee March 27, 2001 Page Three ',, necessary to pump the sludge to the Seminole area and could be taken away immediately. Mr. Bangert stated that Mr. Patel misrepresented Black and Veatch and therefore, he obtained a copy of Mr. Patel presentation and sent it to Black and Veatch. He stated that this is the reason Committee members received a copy of the letter from Black and Veatch explaining their position. Mr. Bangert stated that the County Commission was also sent a letter. Chairman Johnson stated that she was wondering why they had received the information. Robert Anderson stated that at the January 23 meeting and the February 27 meeting he had asked for the exact cost and amount of land that would be needed for the ramp that would come down to the area of 2nd Street. He stated that he is still waiting for that information. Don West stated that he had information that he provided to Mr. Bradshaw and would get him a copy of it before the end of the meeting. Mr. West stated that the information gave an estimate of acreage not an estimate of cost. Mr. West stated that real- estate cost are too difficult to predict four or five years from now. Therefore, we have no cost estimate at this time. Mr. Anderson stated that with the possibility of it going to be done it would be wise for the County to get prices now. Mr. West explained that this would be too early in the process and things are way to premature right now because, it is just a concept right now. Chairman Johnson asked what would be the possibility of stating what the current market value would be. David Souza stated that the design isn't even finished yet. Chairman Johnson stated once they are finished. Mr. West stated that maybe he should state it a different way that Mr. Anderson is asking a question that they simply can't answer at this point. Mr. Anderson asked how they can come of with a cost of how much each design would cost to build. Mr. Anderson asked how they can come up with a figure if they do not know what the land will cost. Mr. West stated that the cost does not include land. Mr. Nickson stated that the cost at this point includes the material and labor to do the roadway. Mr. Anderson stated that he was curious as to what the Rachael B. Jackson is paying the County to be at our dock. Heather Young stated that she could get a copy of the lease but she thought they were paying the same amount that they paid last year because they are here on a short term basis. Mr. Anderson asked if you would be able to get those rates worked out for his home. 6. Discussion of the Florida's Seaport Community: Our Competitive Edge to Meet Global Challenges (January 2001 Florida Ports Council) Stix Nickson stated that Mr. Bradshaw asked him to present this, but that he has really not had enough time to compile all of the information and stated that this is a work in progress. Mr. Nickson stated that there are three parts to his presentation and that the three parts give his presentation balance. Mr. Nickson asked if all had the opportunity to read over the Florida Ports Council document. Mr. Nickson stated that this document is basically a compilation of what the State of Florida feels is going to happen to Florida Seaports and why there is the need to develop inter modal transportation cargo facilities, because they are assuming there will be a massive increase of trade coming from Latin America possibly when Cuba opens and the necessity to bring these Seaports into line, so that they can be competitive with not only the other Seaports in the State but, nationally to compete economically. Mr. Nickson read from the document. Document distributed priorto meeting. Discussion of the document ensued between Committee members and the public. David Souza asked Mr. Nickson if he was suggesting that the County buy the port property. 3 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee • March 27, 2001 Page Four �4r Mr. Nickson stated that was not at all what he was suggesting. Mr. Souza asked then why are we discussing this. Mr. Nickson stated that he was trying to get a point across of the economic viability of a port and what it could do for its citizens vs. tourism trade. Stix stated that they wanted eco-tourism. David Souza stated that the port property is in private hands and it is up to them to develop it to their best interest which leaves us out of the loop. Mr. Nickson stated that from what he understands Mr. Bell is looking at all aspects of how he will develop it and he hopes that he will listen to what is being said here too because he may get some inferences on what he may do with his property as well. Robert Anderson stated that the County messed up by not buying that property he stated that it is Mr. Bells property and all he has to do is follow the guidelines and he can do whatever he wants. Mr. Souza stated that he should be able to, it's his property, he has paid for it, and he has the right to develop it and use it any way he wants. Jeanne Hearn stated that with the deepwater port status that she had not seen any threat or indications that we would lose status for his benefit as long as he was operating a cargo facility here. She stated that she had not seen any numbers requiring a certain number in order to have a deep water port status. Ken Roberts stated that yes there is and in order for the Corp. to maintain that deepwater channel there needed to be more then one major user for cargo purposes and he stated that this was an issue that he thought this group needed to address. He stated that in the Great Lakes it has already been implemented but, that they do not talk of it here because, it is politically sensitive but, that it would come to that and the County will then or the one user would have to pay all the cost which is anywhere between a quarter and three quarters of a million dollars a year and they cannot afford to do that so there needed to be more then one user. Jeanne Hearn asked where this information was available. Mr. Roberts stated from people in the business. Bill Leshe stated from the Army Corp. Stix Nickson was unable to finish his presentation and asked Committee members if they would like to have copies of the material that he still needed to go over. He asked if they would like to re agenda this topic for the next meeting to finish the discussion after they have had time to review the new material. It was decided by Committee members to receive copies and finish the discussion at the next meeting. 7. Other Business Jeanne Hearn stated that she wanted to know if there had been any response from the letter generated to Michael Rubin from Mr. Bradshaw. Heather Young stated that she had not seen a response. Mr. Leshe stated that he had nothing and would ask Richard. Jeanne Hearn asked if BCI had been sent any information on Black and Veech. She stated that she was concerned that the figures were far off. Chairman Johnson stated that we would need to talk with Robert Bradshaw. Heather Young stated to Committee members that Mr. Bradshaw was tied up in another meeting. 8. Adjournment Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Philip Steel, seconded by Gail Kavanagh, to adjourn, the motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 5:06p.m. 12 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee - - March 27, 2001 Page Five Respectfully submitted, Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary C: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee: Delores Hogan -Johnson, Chairman Philip Steel Gail Kavanagh Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Jeanne Hearn Douglas M. Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Ray Wazny, Public Works Director Don West, County Engineer FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting April 24, 2001 Convened: 3:04p.m. Adjourned: 5.02p m This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, April 24, 2001 at 3 :00p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanaugh Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Members Absent: David Souza Also, Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Bill Leshe', Indian River Terminal Corp. Kenneth Roberts, The Port Group Charles Grande, SLC Blueway Advisory Committee Emily Grande, Hutchinson Island Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Don West, County Engineer Mike Ednoff, SLC Economic Development Julia Shewchuk, Community Development Director Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Liz Martin, Commissioner Hutchinson's Office Barbaralee Seelinger, Commissioner Bruhn's Office Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee April 24, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. MEETING MINUTES It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Philip Steel, to approve the minutes of the March 27, 2001 meeting with the necessary corrections. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 3. PUBLIC COMMENT Robert Anderson asked what the status was of the Taylor Creek dredging. Don West stated that on May 1 they would take an agenda item before the Commission for the design contract with BCI Engineers this design was discussed at one of the previous Harbor meetings. Mr. West stated that there was also a grant contract in the amount of $700,000. to go to the Board on the same date that sets up money from South Florida Water Management to the County to help fund the design. Mr. Anderson asked about the dredged material. Mr. West stated that this is to start the design and that there have been no decisions made relating to the dredge material. Jeanne Hearn stated that Black & Veatch were not part of Mr. Patel's presentation and asked if they had completely done away with the Black & Veatch idea. Mr. West stated that the County put out an RFP to select a design consultant for dredging and are using a firm that specializes in permitting and design. Mr. West stated that Black and Veatch does a turn key operation they design, permit and construct. Mr. West stated that they would still be able to bid on the construction. 4. CONTINUATION OF PRESENTATION GIVEN BY STIX NICKSON Stix Nickson continued with his presentation reading aloud from the attached documents important points made in each of the documents. Please see attached documents numbered 1 to 4 from which Mr. Nickson read: Document # 1: The Flow of Money Document #2: Fifth International Conference on Coastal and Port Engineering in Developing Countries. Document #3: Study: Port Canaveral major Economic Engine for County Document #4: Port Tradition and Organization Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee 2 April 24, 2001 Page Three Chairman Johnson asked if anyone had any comments on the presentation given Bob Bangert commented that manufacturing is not as important today as it once was because manufacturing has been moved to foreign countries primilary because the labor charges are so low there. Mr. Bangert stated that most automobiles are made overseas. Mr. Bangert stated that he has been on five cruises and on everyone he has gotten on an airplane flew to the port was transported to the ship on a bus went on the cruise and then transported by the bus back to the plane and flew home. Mr. Bangert stated that on none of the cruises did he ever spend five minutes in the city that provided the facility for the cruise. Phillip Steel commented that a consultant that specialized in cruise ships had been here three times and based on conversations he had with him, he then personally wrote to all the major cruise ship companies in the United States and asked what we could do in order for them to dock their cruise ships here. Mr. Steel stated that the response he received back was that we are too far from the Caribbean which is where these ships like to go and that we do not have an airport that they can land a big jet and in ten minutes be at our port and on a cruise ship. Mr. Steel stated that this was a few years ago but, he still had the documentation if anyone wanted to see it. Mr. Steel stated that the gentleman told him that our nitch in this community would be Mega yachts (large ships) he stated that there is no place in the United Stated that really caters to them. Mr. Steel stated that he was told that our port is small and we do have a depth problem and if we are not going to dig it any deeper we will not get big container ships in. Mr. Steel stated that we have a super nitch in Mega Yachts and we should do everything we can to make this happen. Mike Ednoff asked if the group had ever made a recommendation as to what they would like to see at the port. Philip Steel stated that he thought that they should because it is their job. Stix Nickson stated that is why he has brought this information to the Committee. Mr. Nickson stated that the Airport is a key to development. Bob Bangert commented that the Melbourne airport is now a burden on the taxpayers. Robert Anderson asked Kevin Jackson how many longshoremen live in St. Lucie County. Kevin stated a hundred or so. Mr. Anderson commented on low pay scales and stated that citrus takes up a majority of acreage in St. Lucie County which is all low pay except the owners of the packing houses, owners of the groves and the persons transporting the citrus. Mr. Anderson stated that as long as citrus takes up so much of our acreage we will stay a low pay County. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee April 24, 2001 3 Page Four Philip Steel stated at the next Harbor meeting he would like for the Committee to brainstorm and refine their thoughts as a Committee and make a report/recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners. Mr. Steel stated that each of the Committee members should give their own impression of where they would like to see the port progress. Mr. Nickson stated that he was in agreement with him. Chairman Johnson stated that she wanted the Committee to also think about the Port Master Plan and get copies of the preliminary things being said at this point for the Harbor Committee to review before anything is put into a preliminary draft form. Chairman Johnson asked that all information on the Port Master Plan be given to the Harbor Advisory Committee for review. She stated that she would like to see the proposal from FAU from a monetary stand point and scope of work. Chairman Johnson stated that she would like to see all of this tied into the discussion as it relates to a formal recommendation to the County Commission. Mike Ednoff asked if the Committee had ever made any recommendation on what type economic activity or business such as Mega Yachts. Chairman Johnson stated that Comm. Bryan is the senior Committee person and asked if she knew of any recommendations. Comm. Bryan stated that she had been on the Committee for almost eight years and yes, they had made recommendation and that there is not a lot happening today that has not already happened. She stated that she would certainly welcome some action by this Committee so that when she walked out of the room she felt as if they were making a difference with some type of statement whether all agree or not. Comm. Bryan asked Heather Young what the Committee was supposedly charged with deciding, and what the statement was. Jeanne Hearn asked if there would be any opportunity for a referendum, a real referendum not a straw ballot on the issue. She stated that she thinks the Port and Airport could be such a change to our community for instance whether we want to be like New York or like Fort Pierce. She stated that she is ready to go to a referendum and get a feel from the people because she is tired of fighting this. She stated that the City is not taking a real strong position. She stated that she thought that the City should be very concerned, and ask for much more input than what they are putting forth. Jeanne stated that the City had the opportunity to do the Master Plan and didn't therefore, she does not see them as a big player at this point. She stated that she hopes the Committee does not sit and think that we have a small port opportunity because, we have more water front property than the Port of Palm Beach has, so the port development is unlimited. She stated that we should do what the community wants. Charles Grande stated speaking as a citizen and not a member of the Committee, he felt that Philip Steel and Comm. Bryan are correct and that the Committee was put together to advise the County Commission on items that relate to the Harbor. Mr. Grande stated that he thought that the County Commission was thirsting for educated input. Mr. Grande stated that the County has put together a fairly good group of representatives for Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee 4 April 24, 2001 Page Five the Committee with different back grounds and all of whom care about the Port of Fort Pierce and are giving their time to sit and listen and hopefully make recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners. Mr. Grande stated that the Committee has a real big specific question on the table as to what they will do in the short term leading to the long term in the Port of Fort Pierce. Mr. Grande stated that the Mega Yacht would make a big impact on the Community and the Committee should think about what that is. Mr. Grande stated that he thinks that the Committee is tasked by the County to weight the alternatives and make a recommendation. Chairman Johnson stated that she wants the Committee to play an integral part in bringing all of this together and for the Committee to be in the loop. Chairman Johnson stated that she would like to see in written form or be invited if there is another joint City/County meeting and let it be open to at least the Harbor Committee members or give the Committee written statements as to what is going on. Chairman Johnson stated that she wanted Committee members to be privy to all of the happenings so that the Committee can make educated and informed opinions, suggestions and recommendations. Chairman Johnson stated that she would like someone from Luursson Yachts to come and make a presentation to the Committee. Philip Steel stated that he would also like to ask the cruise ship consultant from Fort Lauderdale to come and give a presentation because of his knowledge about this issue. Charles Grande stated that he would like to see the Committee pass a motion today to provide a volunteer to work with the consultants and give the consultants the input of the Harbor Advisory and bring the consultants work back to the Harbor Advisory. Mr. Grande stated that there is a real role here. Stix Nickson stated that he thinks that the consultants would want to come to the Committee to pick our brains since we are the Harbor Advisory Committee it should be a priority for them. Philip Steel stated that the Committee should not be passive and should come up with positive ideas for the future of this Community. Bill Leshe' asked Heather if there was a document that outlined the duties of the Harbor Advisory Committee. Comm. Bryan stated absolutely and all members have a copy of it. Jeanne Hearn stated that she had never seen a copy of it. Heather Young stated that staff would send a copy out to each of the Committee members. Chairman Johnson asked if the Committee would like to say something to the County Commission in some type of formal verbiage that the Committee would like to play an active roll in this process. Comm. Bryan stated that the Committee should wait until Heather gets back to them as to what they are actually charged to do and then discuss it. Comm. Bryan stated that the Committee's role needed to be plainly defined. Heather stated that the resolution would be included in the next Committee package and also that Mike Ednoff would have a little better idea of what the scope of service is and how we can incorporate the Harbor Committee. Chairman Johnson asked that staff share with the Commission and Administrator what the Committee has discussed in the meeting today and for Committee members to think about exactly what their stance is and what they would like Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee 5 April 24, 2001 Page Six to see the Board recommend. Jeanne Hearn asked Mike Ednoff if Committee members would receive a copy of recommendations by the Port Group. Mike Ednoff stated that staff would send it along with the new scope of work. Mike Ednoff reminded Committee members that there are two things to consider the; vote that the County took for a mixed use port and also the Charette that both the City and the County adopted in principal. Mr. Ednoff stated that he uses these as his guidelines. Mr. Nickson asked that suppose the Committee finds out in its studies that the Charette was a mistake or is not the way to go, then what do we do? Mike Ednoff stated that is why he is asking if the Committee is recommending Mega Yachts. Philip Steel stated that each Committee members write down the vision that they want this to be. Mike Ednoff asked that if the Committee is really serious about making recommendation on a referendum ...pause (to many people interjecting) Chairman Johnson reminded the Committee that it is a recommendation and that the County would have the final decision on bringing it up. Philip Steel stated that the problem with the Port is that there is no consensus and other communities have had a positive approach as to what they want to do and they stick to it. Mike Ednoff stated that because of that he has worked with the individual business and property owners as to what their plans are. Philip Steel made a motion that all Committee members write up a goal or mission as to what they want the port to be in five to ten years from now. The motion failed for lack of a second. Robert Anderson asked what depth defines a deep water port. Mike Ednoff stated Florida Statue by the Legislature. Chairman Johnson stated she understand that it was defined by the State Legislature through a Florida Statute. We are defined as a deep water port in the State of Florida. There are fourteen and we are the second smallest. Jeanne Hearn stated that it is a voluntary status that can be eliminated. Chairman Johnson stated that was correct that it is a voluntary status. Stix Nickson stated that he would also like the Port owners to take an interest to find out what the Committee is discussing for their interest as well. Charles Grande stated that they are here at the meeting and they do have an interest. Kenneth Roberts stated that in context to the motion when Committee members talk about what they would like to see happen in the port to put themselves in the shoes of the business that are there currently and what they see as a future for those businesses. Mr. Roberts also asked Committee members to put themselves in the shoes of Lloyd Bell and the people that are working on what to do with 67 acres and maybe throw in the twenty acres that the County has and say what do we do with all of this property. Mr. Roberts stated that if the Mega Yachts do in fact work, they may be a key to what happens to part of the port's future, but not all of it. Mr. Roberts stated that Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee 0 April 24, 2001 Page Seven if it does not work and no one knows at this point and may not know for months. Then maybe the Committee could have some impact on what goes into the Port Master Plan. Chairman Johnson stated that as the Committee talks and plans, they need to be respectful of the rights of the property owners. OTHER BUSINESS Mike Ednoff gave Committee members an update on the Port Master Plan. He explained that the City of Fort Pierce, County and respective consultants had met last week. Mr. Ednoff stated that it was a very productive meeting and the decision was made that the City and County would go to their respective Boards with their recommendation to hire consultants pending a final revised scope of work. Mr. Ednoff stated that the prospective of the County is to update the Port Master Plan. He stated that they had received a memo and a list of ideas from a group of property owners at the port and that they have made some input into the Master Plan process. Jeanne Hearn asked who was in attendance at the meeting with the City and the County. Mr. Ednoff stated that he was there along with Julia Shewchuk, Don West, Robert Bradshaw, Doug Anderson, Dennis Beach, Ramon Trias, Jim Murley, Lanora Alpert, Tyler Jones and a representative from Gee and Jensen. Chairman Johnson asked what the plan was for public input. Mike Ednoff stated that from the County prospective it would be extensive. There would be a continually updated web site. Jeanne Hearn asked if they would be getting a copy of the memo from the Port Group. Mike Ednoff stated that he had copies for the Committee. Charles Grande stated that Mr. Ednoff said that public input would be extensive and asked if the only source for public input was through the web site. Mr. Grande asked if this was the only intended methodology for collecting information from the public. Mr. Ednoff stated that they are awaiting a revised scope of work from FAU in which it would be outlined. Mr. Ednoff stated that in their preliminary outline there were three public meetings. Chairman Johnson asked if preliminary figures had been proposed by them. Mr. Ednoff stated $99,000.00. Bill Leshe' asked what the process was to select Jim Murley as the consultant to come up with the scope of work. Mr. Ednoff stated that Jim Murley has not been selected yet. Mr. Leshe' asked why he is preparing a scope of work. Mr. Ednoff stated that the County is allowed to by pass a procurement process when working with another State agency and essentially the taxpayers are already paying his salary. Mr. Leshe' stated then it is because he is working for FAU. Chairman Johnson stated that she has long been an advocate of governmental bodies and school systems utilizing higher education to solve problems. Mr. Ednoff stated that he would provide information to Committee members on FAU/FIU Joint Center for Environmental & Urban Problems. Chairman Johnson stated that this is an excellent idea but is concerned about the price and would like to see where the money is going to. Chairman Johnson asked _. 7 FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting May 22, 2001 Convened: 3:13p.m. Adjourned: 4.38p m This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 3 :00p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Gail Kavanaugh Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Philip Steel (late 3:40p.m.) Members Absent: Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Also, Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Charles Grande, SLC Blueway Advisory Committee Emily Grande, Hutchinson Island Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Don West, County Engineer Mike Ednoff, SLC Economic Development Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Barbaralee Seelinger, Commissioner Bruhn's Office Commissioner Frannie Hutchinson District #4 Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Doug Anderson, County Administrator Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee May 22, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. MEETING MINUTES It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Jeanne Hearn, to approve the minutes of the April 24, 2001 meeting. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 3. UPDATE ON BERTH PERMITTING Douglas Anderson updated Committee members on the four Berths of the Port of Fort Pierce. Mr. Anderson stated Berths 1 and 4 had previously had permits obtained and that the County Commission voted to extend those permits until May of 2003 which is in effect. Mr. Anderson stated that in the early to middle 1990's the County was working on permits 2 and 3. He stated that without knowing the direction of the Port, the County Commission decided to stop working on those permits and spending money until the decision was made as to what to do. Mr. Anderson stated that coupled with Berth permit applications for 2 and 3 is also the permit application for the Taylor Creek Restoration of the actual shoreline. Mr. Anderson stated that the shoreline of Taylor Creek is eroded and the shoreline would need to be treated which would require a permit. Mr. Anderson stated that the Board of County Commissioners have elected to move ahead with the berth permit. Mr. Anderson stated that in February of this year D.E.P. notified the County that we had thirty days to continue either the berth permit application for berths 2 and 3 with Taylor Creek or we would lose what had been done to date. Mr. Anderson stated that the County asked for a ninety -day extension and that it was granted through the end of this month. Mr. Anderson stated that the County has been working with some Mega Yacht Companies and is awaiting response from them. Mr. Anderson stated that the County is working with D.E.P. and trying to keep up to speed and asking them where we stand. Mr. Anderson stated that if the Mega Yachts should come we do not know how that would effect the shoreline of Taylor Creek. Mr. Anderson stated that he and Don West would be meeting with the D.E.P. to explain to them where we are in the process, the action that the Board has taken and has approved, for them to go ahead with the Port Master Plan. Mr. Anderson stated that they are going ahead with the Port Master Plan and are bringing a contract with Jim Murley back to the Board of County Commissioners for them to consider. Mr. Anderson stated that they are going ahead with the berth permit in a slow and conservative way so that a lot of money is not spent up -front. Stix Nickson asked 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee `%w May 22, 2001 Page Three if the County could charge a fee in order for people to come across for trade or cargo. Mr. Anderson stated that that it depended on whether the County builds and owns the Berths then we could charge for dockage. Stix stated that it could be an economic incentive because it would generate money for the County. Mr. Anderson stated that was a possibility but that they were not to that phase yet to think or talk about that. Mr. Nickson stated that if the Permits are in place at least somewhere down the road there is the ability to do that. Mr. Anderson stated that at this point they do not know how the berths will be designed or what the requirements are for them. Jeanne Hearn asked if there was any consideration to get another extension with D.E.P. because it has not been determined what type of berths are needed. Mr. Anderson stated that at this point no. Gail Kavanagh asked if the County already had an investment in this process and how much the investment is. Mr. Anderson stated that Hatfield and Stoner have not been able to get a number together yet because the money was spent in the early 1990's and that they are working on it. Mr. Anderson stated that they have about a year right now. Gail stated that it seemed like a no brainer and that we should just go forward with it. Chairman Johnson asked if the order was given to Terry Lewis and Hatfield and Stoner to stop the process in the past. Mr. Anderson stated yes and that we stopped that process on Berths 2 and 3. Jeanne Hearn asked who would be attending I%w the meeting in Tallahassee. Mr. Anderson stated that he and Don West and possibly Commissioner Coward. Charles Grande asked when and where the meeting was being held and if it was open to the public. Mr. Anderson stated that it was at the D. E. P. and that it was not open to the public. Charles Grande asked if any members of the Port Group would be in attendance. Mr. Anderson stated no that it was a County meeting with D. E. P. Chairman Johnson asked if it was on May 31. Mr. Anderson stated yes. Stix Nickson asked if he could make a motion to recommend to the County Commission that they to go forward with the Berthing Permits of 2 and 3 so that we are assured of getting in under the wire. Jeanne Hearn stated that the Commission has already done that and that it was not brought before the Harbor group and went straight before the Commission therefore the group does not have the option to recommend. Chairman Johnson stated that there was previous discussion about it and that is why she wanted the Committee to get an update so that they are aware of what is happening. Jeanne Hearn stated that all of this happened at the last Commission meeting. Chairman Johnson stated that she asked Mr. Bradshaw if Mr. Anderson could come to 3 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee May 22, 2001 Page Four today's meeting for a few minutes to give the Committee an update. 4. PUBLIC COMMENT John Arena stated that he would like to see a restaurant on top of the silos in an oblong shape called the "Crow's Nest" and Harbor Pointe as an eco-tourist destination. Robert Anderson asked if anyone had visited Crane Creek in Melbourne and if anyone had been there lately. Stix Nickson stated that he thought it was called Turkey Creek. Robert Anderson stated that it was just a site show and that if anyone went there now they would not want anything like that near them. Stix Nickson asked what had changed since the visit. Mr. Anderson stated that the press units are set up and that it is a joke that the houses have gone down hill and it is a totally different place and that property values have gone down. Stix asked if Mr. Anderson had any data to support the statement that property values have gone down. Mr. Anderson stated that he had no data to support his statement but has asked Mr. Patel several times if he could get copies of the property values before and then an update as to what they are now and was told that it would cost too much. Stix Nickson suggested to Mr. Anderson that he contact a real-estate agent in that area and ask them to pull up some comps which would not cost anything and provide him with first hand information. Mr Anderson asked about the status of the Seminole site and inquired about light poles being installed on Michigan Street going to the river. Chairman Johnson suggested that he talk with Bud Boudreaux at the Fort Pierce Utility Authority office. Mr. Anderson stated that he did call and they stated that they know nothing. Chairman Johnson asked if staff had any information on the dredge material. Mr. Bradshaw stated that is part of what BCI Engineers are working on, but as far as the Seminole site is concerned they are looking at Taylor Creek not the overall Port. Robert Anderson asked when the overall Port is done how they will manage the dredged material. Stix Nickson stated that as with all Ports that would have to be dealt with. Chairman Johnson stated that this issue has been up in the air for quite some time ( unable to hear tape beeper or cell phone going off). Mr. Anderson commented on aerial markers being put out over the past two weeks. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this has nothing to do with the Seminole site. Chairman Johnson stated that she appreciated him monitoring this and stated that he was welcome to come and ask and get information on it. Mr. Anderson stated that this is why he attends the meetings to ask and get information. Chairman Johnson stated that this is something that the Committee is concerned with and appreciates him highlighting the management of dredge material because this is an area that needs to be looked at very closely. Jeanne Hearn asked if the shoreline restoration and Taylor Creek are on the south shore of Taylor Creek and the North shore of Harbor Pointe. 4 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee *4w May 22, 2001 Page Five Mr. West stated yes. Jeanne Hearn asked which would come first; the dredging of Taylor Creek or the Shoreline restoration. Mr. West stated that the dredging would come and that the dredging could be an independent project and permitted separately. Mr. Souza stated that sometimes you cannot dredge without stabilizing the shoreline first. Jeanne Hearn asked if the permits could be separated from the berthing permits and Taylor Creek. Mr. West stated that he did not think so. Bob Bangert commented on the Black and Veatch process being a good idea. Chairman Johnson agreed. John Arena commented on the purification process of the water with the Black and Veatch process. Chairman Johnson recognized Commission Chairman Hutchinson and welcomed her to the meeting. 5. COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO DISCUSS THEIR IDEAS ON THE EXPANSION OF THE PORT PROPERTY. Philip Steel stated that two people from Fort Pierce went over to Germany to talk with the Company Luursson. Mr. Steel asked Mike Ednoff who went. Mr. Ednoff stated that Julia Shewchuk and Ramon Trias went to Europe but that the County is under a confidentiality request. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the County has a letter requesting confidentially and that the County is going to respect that. Mike Ednoff stated that they visited a company. Mr. Steel stated that hopefully the company will respond favorably and the owner of the property will reach an agreement because his personal feeling is that this is a great opportunity for the this County and the right direction to go in. Mr. Steel asked when would we hear what is happening. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the County could not respond at this time. Jeanne Hearn stated that it is premature for the Committee to plan the Port or talk about ideas because what difference do the ideas make if it will go in one whole entire direction. Jeanne stated that she cannot plan what someone should do with their property and had nothing else to add. Gail stated that she did not believe that the Committee could plan the Port on what one company may do and that the Port should be planned with the best and highest use that can obtain for the citizens of this County in all areas economic, beautification and recreational areas as was heard at the Charette. She stated to plan the Port around one particular company who may or may not locate here is not good common sense or good 5 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee 11%., May 22, 2001 Page Six business practice the Port should be planned around what it can do for the future of Citizens of this County. Gail stated that she attended the Charette and nothing that came out of it was really what the citizens wanted and no one else had any ideas and it was dragged out to the point will someone say something she stated that she is still not sure what the best use of the property is. Gail stated that the studies that are being done may shed some light on what needs to be done and that this is an interesting process when trying to satisfy the needs of all people and felt that the recreational need is essential. She stated that because she sits on the Main Street Board she has a high interest and wonders what the Port can do to help the City of Fort Pierce and the downtown area and is concerned with the economic condition of the County. She stated that there are certain things that we do not have anymore of like land, water and inlets and that the whole thing needs to be looked at as a big picture and not structured around one company. Philip Steel stated that he totally agreed with that. Chairman Johnson asked if the County was going to sign on Jim Murley. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes. Chairman Johnson stated that maybe Committee members would have the opportunity to work with him. Mr. Bradshaw stated that in the proposal under Stakeholder meetings Mr. Murley would facilitate three community meetings and there would be ample opportunity to provide information to Mr. Murley. Mr. Steel stated that the City has their own group too and that they would be working together. Jeanne Hearn stated that West Palm Beach Port is a good example of properties surrounding a cargo port because it has deteriorated since they have expanded and jumped US#1. Philip Steel stated that a good plan could encourage things to happen. Jeanne Hearn asked Mr. Steel if he was indicating that he would have the City and the County vote down what they agreed to abide by at the Charette. Philip Steel stated that the Charette was planned years ago and times have changed considerably since then. Gail commented on the ambiance of Savannah, Georgia. Gail stated that the dreamers and the doers need to get together to make things work. Chairman Johnson stated that since the two legislative bodies have gone ahead and hired the consultants the best opportunity for the Committee to have some say would be to participate in the process. Robert Bradshaw stated that he did not know how much influence the County will have from its perspective on the City approach. Mr. Bradshaw stated that with Mr. Murley/FAU we have the guarantee for input but as far as Maritime is concerned that may be a different story. He did not know what their process would be. Philip Steel stated that we could certainly talk with them. Chairman Johnson stated that she hoped their procedures would be similar. 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee ,r May 22, 2001 Page Seven Stix Nickson stated that we need to look at what is needed and what will be best for the County in the future not necessarily what we want to see. Mr. Nickson stated that is why he presented the Committee with factual information. Charles Grande stated that he agreed with Mr. Steel's vision and commented that it would be good industry for the County and need additional information in order to make a final decision. Stix Nickson commented we have the cart before the horse and that we need to find out what the customer needs and then give it to him. John Arena stated that what is best for the Lagoon is best for the County. David Souza stated then we all need to pick up and leave because that would be the best thing for the Lagoon. David Souza stated that Mega Yachts is a heavy industry, period. There is sand blasting, grinding, welding and the work goes on 24 hours a day. Mr. Souza stated that it is a dirty industry with all of the chemical coming off the bottom of the boats and the bilges being flushed and everything else. Mr. Souza stated that anything that the County wants to build beside it from recreational, hotels stores shops whatever it will not work. Stix Nickson commented on the looks of our port now and asked what could look worse. We do not even have a port yet and it is already deteriorated. Stix stated that it could not get any worse than what we have to look at now, so, no matter what is done it will be an improvement. Robert Anderson stated that the Port of Palm Beach has gotten worse. Stix stated that he tends to disagree and would get real estate values to show how the value of the land has increase dramatically and how the taxes, income and revenue have increased. Mr. Nickson stated that Palm Beach has not had to raise Ad Valorem Taxes in twenty three years because their Port generates so much income. 6. OTHER BUSINESS Jeanne Hearn asked if there was anything done about the purpose of their Organization and commented that she see port things happening like the hiring of Mr. Murley and going on with permitting without it ever coming before the Committee. Jeanne stated that she did not VA Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee fir,, May 22, 2001 Page Eight feel that they are of much substance if those issue are not coming to the Committee unless she had the wrong intent of the Committee. She stated that she felt the Committee members are really wasting their time. Jeanne Hearn asked if anyone knew why the issues were not brought before the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee first for at least discussion. Chairman Johnson asked Mr. Bradshaw if he could respond. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he did not know to be honest. Jeanne Hearn stated that there are two hundred or so man hours that they have approved without even discussing it. She stated that she thought the Harbor Advisory Committee should at least be heard whether good or bad just as Planning and Zoning or any other Committee. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would like some definition as to what will take place in the future at meetings like this because she is really busy and does not want to come just to socialize. Philip Steel stated that the County should keep the Committee in the loop on anything that has to do with the port in the beginning. Mr. Bradshaw stated that with the Port Master Plan Study there would be ample opportunity to have the Committee provide input. Jeanne Hearn stated that these are big issue not trivial little issue that just occurred last week at the Commission meeting. She stated that the least they could have done would have been to send a pre -packet to them or let them know what is happening. Jeanne Hearn stated that after reading the purpose of the Committee the County is not going by the resolution and maybe the purpose should be changed to a social club because their input does not mean a thing apparently if they are not asked opinions on the meat of the issues. Jeanne stated that a lot of money was spent last week with the struggling economy that we are in and we need to at least talk about the issues and ask for more direction. Gail stated that this conversation has come up before at past Harbor meetings. Jeanne Hearn stated that Commissioner Bryan brought it up last time and stated that she has felt so useless. Gail stated that she too has been on the Committee quite awhile and has discussed Berths 2 and 3 and made a recommendation not to pursue to the Commission and that they drop the whole idea. Gail stated that is seems like everything is always after the fact. Jeanne Hearn stated that maybe if nothing else they could pretend that the Committee is important. Gail stated that they should at least let the Committee have a meeting first and then have the Commission vote instead of bringing back the news to us on what has been decided already. Jeanne stated that the news is brought back to the Committee after everybody else has all the information too. Chairman Johnson stated that these are excellent points made and she hopes that staff is hearing the concern from this Committee. Chairman Johnson asked Mr. Bradshaw to get dollar amounts on the man hours equivalent to that. Mr. Bradshaw stated ok. David Souza stated that there again it is water under the bridge and it is like saying I just built you a house and spent $150,000 over what was budgeted but thought you should have it anyway. Write me a check. Jeanne Hearn stated that had it been brought to the Committee her questions would have been does it include 8 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee May 22, 2001 Page Nine travel cost, and running to Tallahassee with Terry Lewis and Company whenever they feel a need. She stated where does it stop what is the limit. Stix stated that he would also like to see a comparison toward the other side as to what the berthing permits have done for generating income. Charles Grande suggested that the Chairman invite Julia Shewchuk and Ramon Trias to The Harbor Advisory Committee meeting and have them present what that kind of facility looks like and how it contributes to the Community since they have gone and seen it. Chairman Johnson stated that she did ask that they come and talk with us and is now asking staff to see if they could come. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they could come but it would be very general. Philip Steel stated that he knew that they took photographs and that he would like to see the photographs. Chairman Johnson stated that she thought this went along with something that she thinks the Harbor Advisory Committee is supposed to be about and that they should share some general comment and would appreciate if staff would see what they can do to arrange that. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would see what he could do. Mike Ednoff stated that the City has also had a request for confidentiality. Mike Ednoff stated that the company that has been talked about in the newspaper also has a web site which is full of pictures that are pretty revealing. Jeanne Hearn asked for the web site address. Mike Ednoff stated to type the company name and then dot com. Mike stated whatever company you read about in the newspaper dot com. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was all that could be said. Mike Ednoff asked if Committee members had the generic information on Mega Yachts. Jeanne Hearn stated that Committee members do not have anything. Mike Ednoff suggested that maybe as another alternative we could get somebody from another port who may work in this area or an organization that represent them to come here and give a presentation. Philip Steel stated that he knows that Ramon took a lot of photographs and that they are available and that everybody on the Committee should be able to see them which would not interfere with the negotiations. Bob Bangert commented that what everyone has overlooked is that the destination of the port is already been well determined and that this is a research area. He stated that we have Harbor Branch, Smithsonian and the Agriculture Center in which all are dependent on the Indian River Lagoon and any thing that would go into the port could jeopardize these research centers which hire a lot of people. (Cell phone or beeper going off unable to understand verbiage.) Robert Anderson asked how much of the port property is actually owned by the County. Philip Steel stated that the County owns about twenty six acres. Mr. Anderson stated that the County should only be able to get berths around that area. Mr. Steel stated that where the County owns there is a large area of grass and nothing will be able to be put out there. E Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee May 22, 2001 Page Ten Chairman Johnson stated that her feeling or vision has been to see this area thought of and be established as a world class marine research center and we do have the making of that happening. She stated that she thought those who have ideas and plans and visions will continue to work at whatever your vision is and your desire keeping in mind when we go public on things we have to look at what is for the betterment of the citizens of St. Lucie County and keeping in mind what is ecologically and economically sustainable. Chairman Johnson stated that she thinks we have a nitch that we should not ignore. 7. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Philip Steel, to adjourn, the motion carried. The meeting adjourned at 4:38p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Don West, St. Lucie County Engineer 10 Minutes of Special Meeting Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Convened: 2:07 p.m. Adjourned: 3:34 p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 2:00 p.m. in Conference Room 3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Gail Kavanagh Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Stix Nickson David Souza Jeanne Hearn (late 2:11 pm) Members not present: Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan, City of Fort Pierce Philip Steel Others present: John Arena, Earth First Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Bill Leshe', Indian River Terminal Company Heather Young, Asst. County Attorney Charles Grande, Hutchinson Island Ed McKay, Hutchinson Island Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) W. P. Adams, Adams and Stevens Inc. Steve Stevens, Adams and Stevens Inc. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Two Agenda 1. Roll Call: Roll Call was taken. 2. Public Comment Robert Anderson commented on pages 17, 18 and 19 of the consultant agreement (Port Master Plan) and the wording Port St. Lucie Port Master Plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated that it is being changed as we speak. Robert Anderson asked if the County had any information on the Beach renourishment. Mr. Bradshaw stated we are still looking at the different concepts and that there will be several more meetings. Mr. Anderson stated that from what he read in the Newspaper it sounded as if they have made a decision. Chairman Johnson stated that one of the recommendations was to extend the Jetty. She stated that the Waterfront Council had consulted with some engineers a few years ago, their idea that the best thing to do was to extend the jetty. Bill Leshe asked if this plan would be considered an update to the 1989 plan or if it is a complete rewrite of the existing plan. Patti Tobin stated that it would be a rewrite but that they may use some data. Bill Leshe stated in the Consultant Agreement it refers to the update of the Comprehensive Master Plan. He asked if this was in anyway tied to the County Comprehensive Plan or is it the Port Master Plan that they are referring to. Patti Tobin stated that there is a relationship, there is a correlation. Bill Leshe asked if this particular study will address the conflict with the County Comprehensive Plan as well or is it strictly for the Port Master Plan. Patti Tobin stated that the Port Master Plan will meet some of the requirements of the State statutes related to comprehensive planning specifically the coastal management element. Chairman Johnson stated that what she thinks Mr. Leshe is saying is that perhaps this should be the update of the Port Master Plan as opposed to the Comprehensive Plan which is a whole instrument or document. Mr. Leshe stated correct. Chairman Johnson stated that it says that the County desires to retain the professional services of the consultant to update the Comprehensive Master Plan. Heather Young stated that there is a difference between the County Comprehensive Plan and the Comprehensive Master Plan for the Port of Fort Pierce. Heather stated that they would make sure the wording is correct. Bill Adams stated that he had a query as to whether the scope of services listed on Attachment A is assumed to be an analysis of the cargo that will move through the port where it will come from, where it will go to and whether it will be economic. Chairman Johnson asked that Patti Tobin present an overview of the document and afterwards she would open discussion up to Committee members and the public. 061 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Three 3. Committee members to review consultant agreement and make recommendation to the Board of County Commission for the Port Master Plan Contract. Patti Tobin explained that she is the new Economic Development Manager for St. Luice County and that one of the projects she will be working on is the Port Master Plan with the consultants. She stated that the document that was passed out is basically contractual language and that the real meat is the attachments. She stated that the County would be using FAU the Joint Center as the consultant and that they would be using sub -consultants to prepare the Master Plan. Patti stated that under the Scope of Services one of the things that the County is taking very seriously is the input from the Community, property owners at the Port, people concerned with the environment, business owners and anyone that wants to give input. She stated that this was going to be real important to the County. Patti stated that one of the requirements the County is faced with is meeting the Florida Statues which are attached (Fax page 16) She stated that these are the requirements of the Coastal Management Element and are the requirements of the Florida Administrative Code rule 9J5. Patti stated that these are the issues that the consultant would deal with along with data and analysis and as well as the goals and objectives. Patti stated that it may require some revision to the Comprehensive Plan and that we would find out as the process is gone through. Patti stated that the City of Fort Pierce has also hired a consultant and that we will have to work very hard with the staff of Fort Pierce in order not to duplicate services so that we have a workable Master Plan for the port, whatever it may include. Stix Nickson asked if the County and the City are already ? the position for power of the port. He stated that the City of Fort Pierce CRA has encompassed the port area and asked how the two staffs will be able to work together if the County Commission and the City Commission are not working so well together. Patti stated that what the City is doing and what the County is doing are not the same thing. She stated that the County is taking the more generic requirements of the Statues and that they would be doing the more specific requirements. She stated that the issue of control or responsibility is already determined and everybody agrees that the City has land use and zoning control which is not something that the County has any jurisdiction over, so as staff, we understand that and this is where their Master Plan will pick up in the uses. Patti stated that the CRA is a declination of property and this happens to be included in it and is an opportunity for Fort Pierce to use revenues generated in that CRA in the port. Patti stated that it is important to keep in mind that they are looking at the Mega Yacht Company and tying that in and dove tailing what their needs are with our Master Plan as well. Jeanne Hearn stated that the Scope of Services includes a lot of work on the Comprehensive Plan and the Port Master Plan from her interpretation. She asked about the three and '/z year program that we have been on for the last three years that will tentatively be approved this week. Patti asked if she was referring to the transmittal of the Comprehensive Plan. Jeanne stated right, are they planning to come back and completely revisit that or what. Patti stated that it would go forward and that it would be two to three months and that it would come back for adoption and that they are allowed two amendments a year. Patti stated that it would depend upon what comes out of the Master Plan and the Coastal Zone Element. Patti stated that staff will be looking toward the Harbor group as well as other groups for input into the Master Plan and stated that they would be back in front of the Committee with something at some point. Mr. Bradshaw stated that on page 14, Stakeholder Meetings the County will facilitate at least three Community meetings with everybody. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Four Chairman Johnson stated concern with the Community meeting taking off right at the bat. Mr. Bradshaw stated that on Page 21 it stated that the meetings will take place during the first three months of the project. Chairman Johnson asked why a meeting couldn't be held near the end of the project. Patti stated, to keep in mind that the adoption of this will require other hearings, these are to get the Stakeholders all together early in the process so that the Maser Plan incorporates the Stakeholders concerns and then we will look into. pubic hearings. Patti stated that there will be numerous public hearings as a result of the document. Jeanne Hearn stated her only problem with the consultant and paying this kind of fee out is that her thought is that the Comprehensive Plan was intended to be directed by the people and the Stakeholders rather then some out of town concern or consultant service that does not realize our amenities or our goals. She stated that she thinks that it is important that the Community have input into what direction they want to go. Robert Anderson commented on public attendance at the meetings and the methods for advertising them. Chairman Johnson explained to him the reasons for this special meeting. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the meeting notice was placed on the press board for advertising. Chairman Johnson stated that she has concern about $99,000. from one public entity to another and commented on the sub -contracted items and asked if staff could do some of these things. Chairman Johnson stated that Mr. Murley could have contacted the Computer Science Department and found graduate students to maintain the Web Page. David Souza stated that what he does not understand is why the County does not have some expertise in this area. Mr. Souza stated that it seems that the County should have somebody that could create a web site. He stated that conflict resolution does not seem to be needed in this. Mr. Souza asked why the County is spending $99,000. and asked if we have someone on staff that could do this work. Chairman Johnson stated that was her question initially when this idea was first brought. She stated that she complimented staff for getting a public entity such as the University because her personal feeling is that Universities and Colleges are totally under utilized as far as tapping them for the talent that is there. Chairman Johnson stated that she asked at a past meeting to see how the money is broken out, therefore she appreciates this. David Souza stated that we have engineers and environmentalist and so forth on staff at the County why aren't they producing these reports and doing the Comprehensive Plan instead of hiring consultants for everything. Chairman Johnson commented that some of them are out of State or out of the Country. Stix Nickson stated that probably the main reason is that some of the public would probably consider that bias and that is probably one reason to consider. Chairman Johnson asked what he meant by bias. David Souza stated that when you hire a consultant he is usually bias on your part to begin with because you are hiring him to do a job for you. Stix Nickson stated that was true. David Souza stated that with the Stakeholder meetings the County could take those opinions under advisement too, just like the University could for a hundred thousand dollars and they should be able to write a Comprehensive Plan. Chairman Johnson stated the Florida Conflict Resolution Consortium (CRC) would be in attendance and asked Bill if his group and her group and all the other folks are planning on having war in there or something looking at $7500.(?) Robert Bradshaw asked how much the City paid for their contract with Maritime. Chairman Johnson stated that was another thing that she was going to ask the City, $200,000.(?) She stated that we are looking at over a quarter of a million dollars being spent by the City and the County on this which is quite frankly a waste of taxpayers money. Mr. Souza stated that all of this for a Comprehensive Plan on a port that we don't even own. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we are required to do this 0 according to State Statute. Chairman Johnson stated that she can appreciate the fact that Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Five it is only $90,000. as opposed to $200,000. and stated that the City is grossly over paying for whatever they are going to get. Chairman Johnson stated that she appreciates the fact that the two staffs do plan to get together and try to not duplicate services which will be a sticky road. Stix Nickson stated that they will have to duplicate some services. It is inevitable. Needs assessments will be duplicated and at a lot of other material. Chairman Johnson stated that it will be a sticky road and they will have to converse with each other and there is no history of them doing that because she has been asking over the years that the City and the County work together. Chairman Johnson asked under Stakeholder meetings on page 21 when they talk about Resolution why not student or students from the Graduate Department in Public Administration. David Souza asked why not staff members that are getting a pay check anyway. Chairman Johnson stated that it appears that the County has committed to paying this $99,000. Patti Tobin stated that Committee members needed to keep in mind that the County is required to do this. Chairman Johnson asked to update what. Patti stated that this would satisfy and meet the requirement of the port and what is being done with the Comprehensive Plan. Chairman Johnson and Jeanne Hearn both stated that they knew that. Jeanne Hearn stated that DCA offered to come and give free services, when they were here for a workshop to help iron out conflicts with the City and the County. Jeanne Hearn stated that neither the County or the City has requested that they come. Patti Tobin stated that they would be coming, someone from FDOT and DCA would be coming on Monday and that the County would be using them. Jeanne Hearn stated that she did not know why they can't give us the ground work for it instead of a consultant. Patti Tobin stated that they did not have much of a staff up there anymore and that they are cutting back the Department of Community Affairs. Stix Nickson asked if any of the Committee members would be privy to any of those meetings at all. Patti Tobin stated at least not the first one because it would be the kick off for the contract and a staff meeting. Stix Nickson stated that the Committee is a body that is Harbor Advisory to the County Commission and probably have some information that the public doesn't have and could communicate and cut to the chase where at the public meetings you really can't do that because there is too much public involvement. He stated that at the meeting with the DCA there are certain things that he could come out with and they could say yea this is good or no that's not good. Mr. Bradshaw stated that initially there are staff meetings and define as staff meetings. Stix stated that he knew they are not staff but maybe could be considered as staff since there are a limited amount of people on the Committee. Patti Tobin stated that she could check into the dynamics of it. Heather stated that maybe they could come and make a presentation at the Harbor Advisory Meeting. Patti stated that she thought they could do that easy. Stix stated that he would expect them to come here first in order to get the Committee's feeling and input and then go out and solicit information which would put us up -front in the loop and consulted on the information instead of last in the loop. Jeanne Hearn asked what the purpose of Mondays meeting with DCA was. Patti Tobin stated they were meeting in order to get the players together. Jeanne Hearn asked the players being. Patti stated the consultants etc. Jeanne asked would the consultants will be present at Monday's meeting. Patti stated yes. Stix stated that is why he was asking about the meeting so that they would better understand a lot of what is going on and be able to give some direct input and have some short cuts taken. Patti stated that she would discuss it with them and see what she can arrange with the Committee's meeting schedule. Stix stated that he stated his concerns with Comm. Hutchinson and she agreed that the Committee should be in front of the loop more often then behind. Jeanne Hearn stated that if the opportunity does become available she would like all of the members notified. Stix stated that this is an integral group. Robert Bradshaw stated that they would not pick and choose that everyone would be notified. Chairman Johnson asked if they thought it would be possible for them to come at the regular meeting time or another time. Patti stated that she would have to get with the consultants and for Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Six the Committee to let her know and she would talk to them. Chairman Johnson stated that the Committee would like to meet with them and to please see if they could meet. Jeanne Hearn stated that she thought they were talking about DCA coming Monday. Jeanne Hearn asked if she understood right that DCA is coming Monday. Patti stated to the best of her knowledge yes. She stated that the ultimate product goes to the Department of Community Affairs as well as the Department of Transportation so the County is involving them early on in the process. Patti stated that she could get with them and see when they could meet with the Committee. Stix stated that Jeanne's question was that the Committee attend the specific meeting which the County is calling a staff meeting to start preliminary ideas and he suggested that the Committee be privy to the meeting. He asked them not to forget that he spent two meetings giving a presentation in which he provided an extensive amount of data he obtained from the State and different agencies and would like to present to the consultants for their use. He stated for a consultant to do a job he needs as much information as possible to derive a conclusion. Patti Tobin agreed and stated that if there are things that the Committee wants her to get to them as soon as possible she could do that and then she could set up some type of meeting. Stix stated that it is submitted and everybody has copies of it. Jeanne Hearn stated that her main reason for wanting to be included is to understand how the process works and were if we are being fed information instead of sitting in the meeting and being told and not knowing where it is coming from whether it be DCA or the consultant. She stated if they where able to see how the ball rolls around the Committee may be able to make better suggestions. Jeanne stated that this is a very complicated process. Patti stated that is why they have hired a consultant to do it. Stix stated that the Committee cannot advise if we do not have the information which is what Jeanne is referring to and getting the information and finding out how it works and where and why is very important. Patti stated that she agreed. Chairman Johnson stated on page 21 under Plan Preparation and Adoption the second part, second sentence stating "A draft of the master plan will be provided to the County for the required public hearing." She asked if this should be hearings. Robert stated that there are two hearings minimum. Patti stated for the Comp. Plan but she was not sure for the master plan. Stix stated that it was probably two public hearings as well. Chairman Johnson asked staff to check into this because it looks like it is just one hearing. She stated that she guesses the County has the authority to call another meeting if there is a lot of conversation. Stix stated that he thought the County was required to have two. Heather stated that for the Comp. Plan yes, but that she was not sure about the requirement for a different element. Jeanne stated that Mr. Murley used the verbiage of Deep Water Port Master Plan, she also, asked if there had been any clarification that we needed to expand the cargo area in order to maintain that. She stated that Tallahassee stated that we already have X number of users and that there is no question about having to expand cargo use and that she has concern about the Mega Yacht industry requiring all of that property and if we are going to have to expand cargo use to that area. Also, is this written word that we have to expand cargo use to keep our deep water status. Patti stated that she would look into that but that she was not aware of any requirement. Jeanne Hearn stated that the Port owner keeps throwing this up at meetings and that it has to be done in order to keep the deep water port status. She stated that she cannot find where this is true. ,*Ar Chairman Johnson asked about page 20 second to the last sentence (We will provide technical assistance and guidance on the design of the plan for a total fee of $5,000.) Patti stated other than their expertise related to Harbor she did not know specifically. Patti stated that it is plan analysis and preparation. 2 Jeanne Hearn stated that she wanted to hear comments from the public. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Seven Bill Adams comment that the web site is very valuable but the guts of the thing is the plan. He stated that the object of a port is to create revenue by moving cargo. Mr. Adams stated that after reading the documents he sees no requirement for the consultant to come up with the guts of the whole port operation which is what cargo you will get, how your going to get it and where you are going to move it to. Stix asked Mr. Adams what his interest was. Mr. Adams stated that he and his partner Steve are in the process of developing some adjacent property which will contribute toward the operation of the port and the port will contribute toward their success and however the port is developed is a matter of great importance to them. Stix welcomed them to the meeting. Steve Steven stated that they are outsiders and do not know anyone at the meeting except for one person he stated that they would like to get to know everyone and their interests and become forthcoming about what their interests are. Mr. Stevens stated that the initial question is still what is your cargo, where is it going and what kind of revenue will it produce. Chairman Johnson commented that this is basically a requirement that we have to do and that the whole document is basically a general plan. Robert Bradshaw stated that this is not a business plan in contrast to what the City is doing and that is the difference between what the County is doing and what the City is doing. Bill Adams stated that the Corp. of Engineers has a reduced budget and would not be very keen on keeping open a port this is not being used as a port. David Souza stated that other than a few acres, the County doesn't own any land in the port, it is all private and the way he sees it is for the private individuals to develop the port to their best use. Mr. Stevens stated that they would not disagree with him because they happen to be developers but they also understand the considerations that have to be taken on the political and the bureaucratic wings to determine that they are doing the best thing or seeking to do the best thing for their constituents. They are not opposed to this they want to be considered as the good guys not the bad evil developer. Mr. Stevens commented that consultants are always brought in from out of town they never use anyone locally. It's never the guys that live here and do the work and know the market it is always the guy down the street. Charles Grande commented on the Mega Yacht industry. Bill Adams stated that the meeting according to the Agenda was on whether the County should engage a consultant and if they engage the consultant are the terms and conditions appropriate. He stated that item three Plan Preparation and Adoption should include a more specific use for the port. Mr. Adams stated that he did not think that there is a Mega Yacht proposal existing by anybody and stated that he thought it was a wish list that sounds most attractive. Stix Nickson suggested that Mr. Adams go back and get copies of his three point presentation on the needs assessment from State initiatives, Environmental Friendliness and the Flow of Money he stated that it was an enlightening two meeting presentation. Bill Leshe stated that because it appears that the County's master plan will rely very heavily on the City's plan. How available will that information be made to the public for comment and will it also be put on the web site for everyone to see because the City's plan will be incorporated into this plan. Patti stated that the County's plan will be the more general plan with the City's plan being more specific. She stated that right now they are trying to get the Port Charette document on a disk to be put on the web site along with all information that they get. Patti stated that not all will have access to the web site but that it would be one of the avenues for getting information out. Patti stated that the County's goal is to make this so that the public is as involved as possible and that she could not comment on the City of Fort Pierce because she did not know their goal. Patti stated that the County has very little to do with land use responsibility for the port. Therefore, some of the issues that have just been discussed are beyond the authority of the County. The Scope of the contract with FAU Joint Center has already been approved by the County Commissioners and what we 7 are doing is defining a scope and a time table through this proposal to them on the 19th. Jeanne stated that she thinks the Committee has expressed concern that before they were Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 „r Page Eight hired, it never came before the Committee. Therefore, the Committee feels useless. Patti stated that may be the case but now the Committee can see that the County has not signed anything. Jeanne stated that it is a little bit after the fact. Patti stated that hopefully with the port master plan that will not happen again. Bill Leshe asked Patti if what she was saying is that the County will defer entirely to the City and its plan as it relates to land use and zoning and will have no input. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we have no jurisdiction. Bill stated you have no input on it. Mr. Leshe stated that this would be a good question to have answered right out of the gate he stated that we all know that the devil is really in the details. He stated that it concerned him when the County is saying, well we are general and the City is specific because that is in fact where most of the information is going to come from. Mr. Bradshaw stated that was not accurate that was not where most of the information would come from. Mr. Bradshaw asked Bill to remember that the City has to adopt this document as their sub port element in their Comprehensive Plan so it works hand in hand. Jeanne Hearn stated that it was her understanding that they do not have to adopt it as it sits according to DCA. She stated that it is a very debatable issue and who really has control. Jeanne stated that we do not get answers and that Bill Leshe raised this question at a workshop 6 months ago and Julia Shewchuk stated that she would get the answer from DCA specifically in writing who controls the port. Patti stated that she did not know if anyone was controlling the port and that would go back to ownership. She stated that you have land use and zoning that are City regulated it is not within the County's boundaries and that has nothing to do with this. We are required to do the Master Plan because we are the Authority and that is what we are doing. Jeanne stated that this is very technical area and she asked a very specific question and has a right to that answer and was told by staff that the answer would be in writing and it has been a long time and all of us are interested. Patti asked if the question was control. Jeanne asked Bill if he recalled. Bill Leshe stated that he asked which governing body will dictate or will control any decisions that are made in the port and no one has really come. He stated you defer land use and zoning to the City and everything else to the County. His concern is how can one governmental body control the land use and zoning and the other the use of the water and not agree. He stated that someone has to be in control one body has got to govern what happens in the port area. Jeanne Hearn asked how the CRA would affect any work that the consultant does. She stated if the consultant does his work the CRA is certainly going to interfere with many of these things. Patti stated that she did not think that the CRA would interfere with any of the plan. Jeanne stated money is involved in the CRA. Patti stated that the CRA is created to provide a funding mechanism that funnel, the money back into a specific area and she did not see that as being a conflict. Stix asked if the Committee was able to alter this or suggest new items or change wording. Patti stated that Committee members could make suggestions and that they would present them to the Board. Stix stated that he wanted acknowledgment of possibly cargo operations and other entities that may not be here. He stated that there is nothing in there regarding the needs assessment and what may be needed. Mr. Souza stated that it is part of the business plan that the City of Fort Pierce is funding and that this is for the State. Stick commented that when the County owns berthing permits that is a revenue generating item which is part of the County owned item. Bill Adams asked if he could explain his point of view. He stated that it is not necessarily cargo vs Yacht or cargo vs something else cargo being the generic. It is really that they have a master plan that does not address the 8 economic aspect of the port. You need to know where the money is coming from. Robert Anderson commented on the Mega Yacht industry and possible contaminates. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Irr June 12, 2001 Page Nine Jeanne Hearn asked if Julia Shewchuk was still on staff. Patti stated that tomorrow is her last day. Jeanne stated that Julia and Ramon Trias visited the Mega Yacht Company that is interested and it was her understanding that it is in a huge enclosed facility. Steve Steven stated that Ramon told him that the facility was spotless. Jeanne Hearn stated that in fact, in reports awhile back it was stated that if there were additional cargo at the port they would not consider coming because of the question of cleanliness of the air and so forth. Jeanne stated that she would like to hear a report from them if they are still on staff. Chairman Johnson stated that the Committee has already talked about that and that it is one of the future meetings. Mr. Bradshaw asked the chairman to remember that the County is respecting the confidentially of the firm. Kevin asked Jeanne what the Mega Yacht said. He stated if the cargo comes then what. Jeanne stated that apparently they want a clean area and these would all be in enclosed areas she stated that this is all hear say. Chairman Johnson asked if anyone had anything else relative to this particular document that they wanted to discuss. David Souza stated that he wanted to stress his original comment that staff take more responsibility on this rather then subbing everything out. Chairman Johnson asked Robert if he could give a general statement as to why the County chose to go with a consultant. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this was a RFP and that it was about a third the price of Maritime and the prices that came back to the County were from $250,000. up to $500,000. Robert stated that they thought the County may be prejudiced by doing it in house and were trying to be objective. Mr. Bradshaw stated that Dr. Murley has extensive experience in this and the County is looking for public involvement which will be a huge component in this plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we are trying to accommodate as many people as possible at the best price possible. Chairman Johnson stated that she would seriously like to see a meeting of interested parties before the final plan is presented to the County Commissioners. She stated that this was one of the drawbacks from the port Charette of 96 because when the product was finished the Mayor stated that they were not taking any comments from anyone. She stated that once the draft is done on the plan she would like it to come back so that the entire document can be reviewed. Chairman Johnson asked what the pleasure of the Committee was. Jeanne Hearn stated that she liked Mr. Souza idea that staff do some of the plan rather then all of it, but then we may not get a discounted price. David Souza asked if he was looking at the proposals correctly. With $99,000 to the University and then $10,000. on that. All chimed in no. Patti stated that 99 is the cap. Chairman Johnson stated that is the cap and the break down is who is getting what. Stix Nickson stated that he agrees with Mr. Souza and the Chair about the cost. He stated that his reason for moving forward with this is for informational purposes because it is an additional piece of the puzzle that can be used in determining the uses and goals for the port. He stated that the Committee my learn something from the consultants that was not even thought about or suspected. Mr. Souza stated that was reasonable but, why are we Li paying $10,000. for someone to create a web site for a year. He stated that this is something the County should be able to do. Chairman stated that this is why she stated that the Computer science department could have come up with it. Chairman Johnson stated that the County is really leaning toward this contract and that she commented to Patti Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Ten and Mr. Bradshaw, suggesting that this web site be maintained by the County. The County can take the responsibility to maintain and update the web site, so that in years to come we will not have to go through this expense again. Stix Nickson stated that we would like to make a motion. Jeanne Hearn stated that she would like to make a motion to approve going forward with, concern from the committee that perhaps they could do some of the work at the University. Jeanne stated that she wanted the Commission to know that the Committee has concern about some of the outside expertise that they are bringing in and want them to try and save money and do some of it in-house for the betterment of the University. Stix stated that he did not want to tie their hands and tell them what they are able to do and what not, because then we are skewing what information we might get back. Mr. Nickson stated that the only alteration he would like to make in the motion is to adopt an economic analysis of the property there as well. He stated that he would like to make the motion to include that if possible. Mr. Bradshaw stated that is not part of these documents and is not required on the Statute. Mr. Souza stated that we are interested in the Comprehensive Plan and that is all. Chairman Johnson stated that we should meet with Mr. Murley and staff and we can make that clear to them. Chairman Johnson stated that she feels that our colleges and Universities have a lot of brain power there and it can be found in-house. Jeanne Hearn stated that she does not want to make a motion unless it can have some type of input back to them of the Committee's concern of some of these extra costs that are being incurred. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they would qualify the recommendation with whatever the Committee wanted. Gail Kavanagh stated that if Jeannes motion was not on the table she would make the motion that the decision be made based on the two factors. One being, do we approve of the consultants. Do we approve of Florida Atlantic University Sponsored Research will they do a good job. Number two, are we paying them too much $99,000. Gail stated that if we vote to hire them, then do we trust them, otherwise, we should not vote to hire them. She stated if the Committee votes to hire them then we should step back and let them do it and see what they come up with and then analyze the results at the end. Mr. Souza stated that when they started breaking out the contract into section then the sections to him then become negotiable at that point and the County should be able to handle these parts themselves. Discussion ensued regarding this matter. Chairman Johnson asked Jeanne to restate the motion. Jeanne stated that she had better not make the motion because she is not sure that she is all for it. Jeanne stated that she is uncomfortable with the idea of giving something blessings after it has been already been done and we cannot even express ourselves at this point. Jeanne stated that she feels that it should have come before the Committee in the beginning and we did not have the opportunity therefore she is withdrawing her motion. Gail Kavanagh stated that she is making the motion that the Committee go ahead and 10 support this project and have Florida Atlantic University Division of Sponsored Research go forward with the project the motion was seconded, by Stix Nickson. Chairman Johnson stated that the motion has been made and seconded that the Committee accept the consultant agreement and recommend it be accepted by the Commissioners. Chairman called for vote by voice vote there was one vote against. Jeanne Hearn informed the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Eleven Committee that she was abstaining from the vote. She was informed by the Chairman that she could not abstain from the vote. Jeanne stated to just leave her out. Mr. Bradshaw stated that she could not be left out of the vote. Jeanne stated that she did not have to vote. Chairman Johnson stated that she had to vote and that she had been in this situation when she first started. Heather stated to Jeanne that she had no conflict so she would have to vote. Mr. Bradshaw stated that she would have to except the responsibility. Jeanne stated that she did express her conflict. Heather stated that it would have to be a financial conflict. Chairman Johnson stated that we would have to call a vote again. Mr. Bradshaw stated that a roll call vote needed to be done. Jeanne Hearn stated that she questioned this. The roll call vote: Kevin Jackson Yes Gail Kavanagh Yes Delores Hogan Johnson No Comm. Mary Ann Bryan Absent Stix Nickson Yes David Souza No Jeanne Hearn No Philip Steel Absent Chairman Johnson stated that she would like to see Jeanne's original motion with the concerns attached and asked Gail if she would be willing to make that motion. She stated that this would not make a major impact but at least they would be aware of what the Committees concerns are. Mr. Souza stated that he did not think that would be necessary they could see by the vote that the Committee is conflicted and they could draw their own conclusion. Jeanne Hearn stated that she wanted them to know why part of her vote was because it did not come before the Committee originally. Mr. Souza stated that staff can inform them why. Kevin stated that his thinking is that even though they did not consult the Harbor Advisory Committee first they are making an attempt now and we have the facts in front of us and should be able to make a ruling on the facts and leave the other things out of it. Mr. Souza stated that they are asking for the Committee for an opinion and he thinks the Committee is giving it to them. Chairman Johnson stated to Kevin that she could see where he is coming from but that this was brought up in enough time that a draft could have gotten to the Committee members because it has been out there floating for a least a couple of months. Stix Nickson asked what the purpose would be if this is defeated and if it goes back to the Commission and they for some reason decide to not go ahead with it either. Jeanne Hearn stated that they will approve it because the Committee's opinion does not matter, really. Stix stated lets say that our opinion did matter and they do not go ahead with it. He asked what would be the ramifications. Stix stated that this is a tool which will help the Commission make an informed decision and that is why he voted yes. Heather Young stated that in staff memo, that they will prepare, they should indicate that the Committee's vote was three to three and outline some of the concerns that were raised. Chairman Johnson stated that is what she was going to say also and that she wanted staff 11 to at least let the Commissioners know the deliberations that the Committee has made and the concerns. Chairman Johnson stated that the regular meeting is scheduled on the fourth Tuesday which is June 26, 2001. She stated that staff was checking with DCA to see if they can meet with the Committee on the 26th. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they are trying to get one Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 12, 2001 Page Twelve of the Mega Yacht people to meet with the Committee. Chairman Johnson stated that she thought they would try to get Murley at the next meeting. Patti Tobin stated that she would try. Jeanne Hearn asked if the Committee could get a report from the attendees of the D. E. P. meeting in Tallahassee and also the FSTED meeting coming up. She asked that staff attending come and give a report as to what goes on. Mr. Bradshaw stated that there is a Florida Ports Council Meeting not an FSTED meeting. Jeanne stated that it is a branch of that. Mr. Bradshaw stated no it is a Florida Ports Council meeting. Chairman Johnson asked if that was the meeting in Key West. Mr. Bradshaw answered yes. Chairman Johnson asked if the meeting would be before the 26. Mr. Bradshaw stated yes tomorrow. Chairman Johnson asked that he bring back any pertinent information to the Committee from that meeting. Mr. Bradshaw stated ok. Stix asked if the meeting was still on for the 26. Chairman Johnson stated yes if staff can get a speaker. Stix stated that the meeting should go on even if there is no speaker because there are so many things happening on a daily basis. Chairman Johnson stated that Missy would have to call to obtain a quorum. Stix stated that he would be at the meeting he is here to do work. Gail stated that she would be in attendance because of complaints that the Committee does not get enough information. She thought that if they were not here they could not get what they needed. It was decided by the Committee to stay on the regular schedule. 4. Adjournment Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Stix Nickson, to adjourn, the motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 3:34p.m. Respectfully submitted, Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary C: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee: Delores Hogan -Johnson, Chairman Philip Steel Gail Kavanagh, Vice Chairman Kevin Jackson Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Jeanne Hearn Douglas M. Anderson, County Administrator Robert J. Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Ray Wazny, Public Works Director Don West, County Engineer 12 FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting June 26, 2001 Convened: 3:09p.m. Adjourned: 3:34p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 3 :00p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman (late 3:13p.m.) Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanaugh Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Philip Steel (late 3:21p.m.) Also, Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Charles Grande, SLC Blueway Advisory Committee Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Barbaralee Seelinger, Commissioner Bruhn's Office Barbara Felton, Commissioner Lewis's Office Charline Burgess, Commissioner Coward's Office Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 26, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. PUBLIC COMMENT Robert Anderson asked if the public was able to attend the Port Security Meeting. He stated that they are asking for reservations. Patti Tobin stated that it was open to the public but they wanted to get an idea of how many would attend in case the room was not large enough and they needed to relocate. Robert Anderson asked about the Florida Ports Council meeting in the Keys and asked for all the information he could get on that. Patti Tobin explained to him that Mr. Bradshaw attended that meeting and that he was unable to be at today's meeting. Therefore items 3 and 4 have been tabled and he would need to get with Mr. Bradshaw at a later date. Robert Anderson asked if the Committee could recommend to the County Commissioners to use Cabbage Palms on the North or South Beach to help save the beach. Mr. Anderson stated that their root systems is very large and would help to anchor the sand and anchor the beaches. Stix stated that he should present this to the Commission under public comment. Mr. Anderson stated that they may take it into consideration if it came for this Advisory Committee. 3. REPORT FROM ROBERT BRADSHAW ON THE FLORIDA PORTS COUNCIL RETREAT Heather Young announced to the Committee that Items 3 and 4 on the agenda would be addressed at a later date. She explained that Robert Bradshaw had attended the Governor's meeting in Stuart and called in this afternoon stating that he had to meet with some of the agencies after that meeting and would be unable to make today's meeting. Heather stated that if anyone had any concerns on item 3 or 4 to let staff know and he would address them or he would call them and address their concerns. Jeanne Hearn stated that she had talked with Robert about not seeing a County representative on the list for the Harbor Security Committee. She stated that Robert told her he would be the Representative for the County. 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 26, 2001 Page Three Jeanne Hearn asked if security that is implemented at this point is at the cost of the County. She stated that she understood that it is not since the County doesn't own the port property and wondered if anyone knew what the answer was. Heather Young stated that she thought that was the way it is being done now, other than the Sheriff's Department. Heather stated that she did not think the County was doing anything right now and did not know what the property owners were doing. Stix Nickson stated that the County does own Harbour Pointe so the Committee may recommend something at some point. Kevin Jackson stated at the Cape they pay $60.00 out of their own pockets, take pictures and get finger printed. He stated that they pay their own badge. Jeanne Hearn stated that she thought a member of the public needed to be on the Port Security Committee and that it should be the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Chairman which would represent a group of the public. Chairman Johnson stated that she had no problem acting as the representative. Jeanne Hearn stated she just thought this would be a way for the Committee to get information brought back to them. 1%W Patti Tobin stated that she had a chance to look at the Resolution that created the Committee and thought the Security Plan would have to come back to the group anyway. Stix stated that the fear is the Committee will get the information after it goes to the entities that the Committee is trying to advise. Heather stated that Jeanne need to put her suggestion in the form of a motion. Jeanne Hearn stated that she was making a motion that the Committee members have the Chairman sit on the Port Security Committee. Stix Nickson seconded that motion. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 4. UPDATE BY MIKE EDNOFF ON SEAPORT SECURITY PLAN Tabled to the July 24, 2001 meeting. 5. UPDATE BY PATTI TOBIN ON THE PORT MASTER PLAN MEETING OF JUNE 18 Patti Tobin stated that the group met with the FAU representatives and one of the things that n Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee June 26, 2001 Page Four they have started doing is putting together a list of Stakeholders. She stated the Harbor Committee has been identified as Stakeholders under the government section. Patti asked if any from the Committee knew of anyone interested in getting involved she would appreciate them letting her know. Patti stated that the consultants were informed that it was very important to involve the Harbor Committee as early as they can in the process to avoid having the after the fact issue. Patti stated they are starting to assemble information and going to work on getting the information on the web site. Patti stated that the Committees concerns were spelled out to the Commissioners in a memo so hopefully we can avoid those issues in the future. Jeanne Hearn stated that Patti Tobin did a good job in representing the Committees concerns to the Commissioners in her memo. 6. OTHER BUSINESS Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan stated that she had wanted to ask Robert Bradshaw if the Smithsonian Grand Opening could be delayed until after Labor Day Weekend to avoid missing a lot of people and wanted to know what the Committee's thoughts were on it. Chairman Johnson stated she thought it was a good idea. Jeanne Hearn stated Dr. Rice had indicated to her that they are looking for people to assist with various duties in getting it open. Jeanne stated she was wondering whether the Harbor Group would be interested in volunteering to help. Heather stated that she would say something to Robert and at the next meeting maybe give a presentation on the plans that have been made and what is planned. 7. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Stix Nickson, to adjourn. The motion carried. The meeting adjourned at 3 :34p.m. G Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee „r June 26, 2001 Page Five Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Don West, St. Lucie County Engineer 09 FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting July 24, 2001 Convened: 3:00p.m. Adjourned: 3:41p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, July 24, 2001 at 3 :00p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanaugh Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Philip Steel Also, Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Liz Martin, Commissioner Hutchinson's Office Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Don West, County Engineer Bill Leshe, Indian River Terminal L FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting July 24, 2001 Convened: 3:00p.m. Adjourned: 3:41p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, July 24, 2001 at 3 :00p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanaugh Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Philip Steel Also, Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Liz Martin, Commissioner Hutchinson's Office Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Don West, County Engineer Bill Leshe, Indian River Terminal n Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee July 24, 2001 Page Four Bradshaw stated that because the Port of Fort Pierce is small and undeveloped we were not interested in being involved in participating in this and have written a letter to John LaCapra asking that we be pulled out of this service and also that the prorated share be taken out. Mr. Bradshaw stated that item eleven was discussion of the Seaport Mission Plan and Public Relations. He stated that he has ordered all of the members of the Harbor Committee a CD that characterizes each port and will be a marketing tool that the Florida Ports Council will use in the upcoming year. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this was essentially all that he had for the Florida Ports Council retreat. He stated that in a nut shell they look at us as a small undeveloped port and everything is on the back burner right now. He stated that the other issue that is facing us is the drafting of the adoption of our Master Plan because we can not access any FSTED funding until that has been implemented or drafted and adopted. Philip Steel commented on smugglers going to the less developed ports when the larger ones become more secure. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Governors office would come and inspect our port and give recommendations as to what we should start doing. 7. UPDATE BY ROBERT BRADSHAW AND DELORES JOHNSON ON SEAPORT SECURITY PLAN. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they met Thursday with Customs, FDLE, Immigrations, Sheriffs Department and the Fort Pierce Police Department. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they would meet every quarter in order to set a dialog and start a strategy as to what needs to be done. Mr. Bradshaw stated that everything is still premature and we are basically on inactive and undeveloped port. He stated that they touched on the fact that as larger ports become more secure there will really be a need for us to look at security issues. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the only publicly owned property is the twenty acres. He stated that Indian River Terminal and the other two that are privately owned have their own security right now. Mr. Bradshaw stated that essentially this is really all that can be done right now and we are where we need to be at this stage Robert Anderson asked about City Code Regulations and fencing. He stated that at the meeting Taylor Creek brought up the fact that fencing could only be so high and no barbed wire was allowed according to City Code. Chairman Johnson questioned the fencing issue 11 FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting July 24, 2001 Convened: 3:00p.m. Adjourned: 3:41p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, July 24, 2001 at 3 :00p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanaugh Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Philip Steel Also, Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Liz Martin, Commissioner Hutchinson's Office Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Don West, County Engineer Bill Leshe, Indian River Terminal 1 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee July 24, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. APPROVE MINUTES FROM MAY 22, 2001 MEETING It was moved by Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan, seconded by Kevin Jackson, to approve the minutes of the May 22, 2001 meeting. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 3. APPROVE MINUTES FROM JUNE 12, 2001 SPECIAL MEETING It was moved by Philip Steel, seconded by Jeanne Hearn, to approve the minutes of the June 12, 2001 special meeting. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 4. APPROVE MINUTES FROM JUNE 26, 2001 MEETING It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan, to approve the minutes of the June 26, 2001 meeting. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 5. PUBLIC COMMENT There was no public comment. 6. REPORT FROM ROBERT BRADSHAW ON THE FLORIDA PORTS COUNCIL RETREAT Mr. Bradshaw presented the Committee members with an agenda from the Florida Ports Council. Mr. Bradshaw explained that the first four items on the agenda were just housekeeping items and that he would start with item five the Legislative Report. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Legislative Report is centered around Senate Bill 978 which addresses security issues. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they talked about how this is an unfunded mandate for a lot of the Ports and that they are not happy with what Legislation is mandating them to do. Mr. Bradshaw explained that item number six is the Taxation on Government Leaseholds. He stated that the State of Florida's fourteen ports have different tax assessors assessing the 0 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee %%W July 24, 2001 Page Three public land in the ports in different manners and the Ports Council is trying to get the Governor to address the issue of standardizing. The Governor has decided to appoint an Advisory Committee to address this issue and the Florida Ports Council is asking for a seat on that Committee. Mr. Bradshaw explained that item seven on the agenda was Discussion of the Seaport Security Program. He stated that the Governor commissioned the Camber Report which did assessments on the fourteen deep water ports in the state of Florida and ranked them from high to moderate and low. He stated that the high risk ports were Miami, Everglades, Jacksonville and Tampa and the low risk ports were Fort Pierce, Key West and Port St. Joe. Mr. Bradshaw stated the Florida Ports Council has decided to recognize the four high risk ports and give them all of the Transportation Outreach Program funding for security measures and the low risk will receive no funding for that. He stated that they are focusing on the finger printing or hand scan and the preliminary background checks on all people that apply for jobs at the port. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they are looking for the ports to identify their restrictive access areas. Mr. Bradshaw stated that at the Port of Fort Pierce we have twenty acres of undeveloped area property. Therefore, we do not really fit any of the criteria �4w and the Florida Ports Council recognizes that. Mr. Bradshaw stated that as far as security measures go we are on the back burner for now. Mr. Bradshaw stated that item number eight was discussion of the TOP which is the funding mechanism that comes from FDOT. He stated that the Florida Ports have been awarded seven million dollars through the TOP program. Mr. Bradshaw stated that of the 7 million, $1.5 goes to FDLE which will fund the finger printing and back ground checks processes and live scan system. He stated that we would not be receiving any of this funding due to the fact that we are considered a low risk port and all of the funding would be going to the high risk ports. Mr. Bradshaw stated that item number nine is the work program for fiscal year 01/02. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we had funding earmarked for the Taylor Creek restoration in 01 /02 and because the Port Master Plan will not be completed until June of 02 we have asked that the money be rolled over into 02/03 so essentially there are no projects for 01 /02. Therefore, this discussion did not pertain to us. Mr. Bradshaw stated that item ten was discussion of PIERS Funding, which is a data base done by the Journal of Commerce. It is updated weekly and tracks all of the cargo movement in the world. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Florida Ports Council has a subscription to this service. Mr. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee July 24, 2001 Page Four Bradshaw stated that because the Port of Fort Pierce is small and undeveloped we were not interested in being involved in participating in this and have written a letter to John LaCapra asking that we be pulled out of this service and also that the prorated share be taken out. Mr. Bradshaw stated that item eleven was discussion of the Seaport Mission Plan and Public Relations. He stated that he has ordered all of the members of the Harbor Committee a CD that characterizes each port and will be a marketing tool that the Florida Ports Council will use in the upcoming year. Mr. Bradshaw stated that this was essentially all that he had for the Florida Ports Council retreat. He stated that in a nut shell they look at us as a small undeveloped port and everything is on the back burner right now. He stated that the other issue that is facing us is the drafting of the adoption of our Master Plan because we can not access any FSTED funding until that has been implemented or drafted and adopted. Philip Steel commented on smugglers going to the less developed ports when the larger ones become more secure. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Governors office would come and inspect our port and give recommendations as to what we should start doing. 7. UPDATE BY ROBERT BRADSHAW AND DELORES JOHNSON ON SEAPORT SECURITY PLAN. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they met Thursday with Customs, FDLE, Immigrations, Sheriff's Department and the Fort Pierce Police Department. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they would meet every quarter in order to set a dialog and start a strategy as to what needs to be done. Mr. Bradshaw stated that everything is still premature and we are basically on inactive and undeveloped port. He stated that they touched on the fact that as larger ports become more secure there will really be a need for us to look at security issues. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the only publicly owned property is the twenty acres. He stated that Indian River Terminal and the other two that are privately owned have their own security right now. Mr. Bradshaw stated that essentially this is really all that can be done right now and we are where we need to be at this stage Robert Anderson asked about City Code Regulations and fencing. He stated that at the meeting Taylor Creek brought up the fact that fencing could only be so high and no barbed wire was allowed according to City Code. Chairman Johnson questioned the fencing issue 1*r✓ 4 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee %%W July 24, 2001 Page Five and scrubs and directed the question to Commissioner Bryan. Commissioner Bryan stated that as far as she knew that was one of the requirements but, that it was certainly in an area that she thought it could be waived. 8. UPDATE BY DON WEST ON BEACH RENOURISHMENT Don West stated that they held a workshop in early June about the beach renourishment program and talked some about the hydraulic model that they are developing for the inlet and beach area. He stated that they are shooting for a goal of 2003 for the next major renourishment on the beach. Don stated that they have lost a lot of the sand from the last renourishment but found out that a lot of the sand moved to the south. He stated that they have two zones that they are working on for beach renourishment the first is immediately south of the Jetty, the first 1.3 miles, and the second area is the next mile beyond there. Mr. West stated that they are trying to address 2.3 miles. Mr. West stated that they have been measuring the profiles of the beach out in front of the Ocean Village area to the south and the profile is very close to what they were planning the design for when they renourish that section. There was some good in that when the sand was lost it drifted south. Mr. West stated that they are looking to add structure elements to the first 1.3 miles in addition to the sand. He stated that they are working with Taylor Engineers to evaluate different alternative designs. Mr. West stated that the CORPS was going to try and do some touch up maintenance in the spring to the inlet channel. Mr. West stated that the sand in the channel is beach quality sand that the CORPS would try to pump that sand onto the south Jetty beach area, which would not be a major renourishment, but give us enough sand until 2003 when the major project would be done. 9. OTHER BUSINESS Jeanne Hearn stated that she had a question on page three of the May 22 minutes. She stated that Gail Kavanagh had asked how much had been invested in the Berth Permits. Jeanne asked if anyone knew when this number would be available. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would check. Jeanne Hearn asked if Mr. Bell had written to the County because it was written in the paper that he would be. She stated that this figure would be very important if Mr. Bell inquired about purchasing the Berth Permits. Chairman Johnson commented on the article on the Mega Yacht Industry in the June issue of Florida Trend Magazine %r 5 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee %4w July 24, 2001 Page Six 10. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Gail Kavanagh, seconded by Philip Steel, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 3 :41p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary c: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Don West, St. Lucie County Engineer FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting August 28, 2001 Convened: 3:44p.m. Adjourned: 4.23p m This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, August 28, 2001 at 3 :44p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Gail Kavanagh Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Member Absent: Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman David Souza Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Also, Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Liz Martin, Executive aide to Comm. Hutchinson Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Don West, County Engineer Bill Leshe, Indian River Terminal Kenneth Roberts, NSDC Barbara Felton, Executive aide to Comm. Lewis Patti Tobin, Economic Development Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Charles Grande, Presidents Council of Hutchinson Island Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee 114✓ August 28, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. APPROVE MINUTES FROM JULY 24, 2001 MEETING It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Jeanne Hearn, to approve the minutes of the July 24, 2001 meeting. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 3. PUBLIC COMMENT There was no public comment 4. UPDATE BY PATTI TOBIN ON THE PORT MASTER PLAN Patti Tobin stated the web site is now up and passed out information related to it. (Please see attached copy). Patti stated that one of the requirements of the contract was the web site. She stated that the web address is http://www.ftpierceportplan.ory,/calendar.htm and encouraged all to take a look at it. Patti stated that the web page included a calendar and a lot of back ground information which includes the Executive Summary from the 1989 Port Master Plan, Charette documents as well as Charette pictures and maps delineating the Port area and quite a few contacts and links. Patti stated that there are quite a few web sites to check on and stated that if there are others they wanted she could add them. Patti stated that like the Comprehensive Plan the web site would be constantly updated and changed and new information provided. Patti stated that this is just one mechanism of getting information out to the public. Patti stated that the page she passed out was the calendar page which she thought Committee members would be interested in. She stated that they are scheduling community meetings for the month of November. She stated that November 3 is the Saturday meeting and the 14 and 29 are night meetings. Patti stated that they have not yet determined the location. She stated that FAU along with the Fort Pierce consultants will be meeting sometime next week to fine tune how those meetings will be conducted. She would get back to the Committee with the information on how they anticipate the meetings being run. Patti stated that Jim Murley has asked if he could come to the Harbor Advisory Board on September 14 in the afternoon. Patti stated that the Committees regular meeting in on the 25' so this would be a special meeting for him to come and talk with this group. Philip Steel asked if 4:OOp.m. would be ok for the Committee to meet with Mr. Murley. Chairman 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee August 28, 2001 Page Three Johnson asked how that sounded to everyone. Patti stated she knew that the Committee wanted to get into the loop and that Mr. Murley wanted to meet with them. Chairman Johnson asked if 4:00p.m. on Friday would be ok. Gail Kavanagh stated she would be out of town. Chairman Johnson asked about everyone else. Patti Tobin stated she would check with the members that were not in attendance. It was decided that the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee would meet on September 14 at 4:00p.m. in Conference Room #3 with Mr. Jim Murley of FAU/FIU Joint Center. Patti Tobin stated that she would verify that time with Mr. Murley. Patti stated that at this time the Joint Center is working on probably the most important part of the Master Plan, which is putting all of the data together. This will be used to do the analysis that will take us into the goals, objectives and policy. She stated that this process would take about two months. She stated that the hard part is happening now. Patti asked the Committee to help create or talk about the goals, objectives and policy. Philip Steel stated that he would like to let her know what they are and asked how he would get in touch with her. Jeanne Hearn asked if the City was part of the planning or if it was strictly County employees. Patti asked her what she meant. Jeanne asked if anyone was interacting with the City since they started a Port Master Plan. Patti stated that they do not have the authority to do one. Jeanne asked if they were left out totally. Patti stated no. Philip Steel stated that he did not understand how that works because they have the zoning control. Patti stated they have zoning and land use. She stated as the Port Authority we have the responsibility of coming up with the Port Master Plan. Patti stated one of the problems in the past is that we haven't coordinated and that is what they are trying to do now. Patti stated that they are meeting together at least monthly, if not more, to make sure there is no duplication and that everyone is on the same page. Patti stated that the City is doing a plan too, and in order to distinguish between the two plans, ours is the Port Master Plan, which is required by statute for the Authority to do, and there will be the Port Implementation Plan which will include looking at operations and land use and zoning. Patti stated that the Port Master Plan will meet the statutory requirements and be a little more general and the Implementation Plan will be a lot more specific. She stated that the goal is that these things come together and work. She stated the City can ultimately adopt our Port Master Plan incorporating it into their Comprehensive Plan. Philip Steel stated that would be a good idea. Chairman Johnson stated that she wanted Patti to clarify her statement, was she asking the Committee if they would like to see some of the goals and objectives prior to the Stakeholders meetings. Patti stated that was right. Chairman Johnson asked the Committee what are their feelings. Stix Nickson stated that he wanted to know where the goals are coming from and who is making up the goals. Patti stated they would be coming from the FAU Joint Center. She said to keep in mind that we are required to have goals related to certain items and that is what they would be coming up with. Stix asked how we would know the goals of the community or what the Port really needs. Patti stated that you have to look at the statutory requirements and certain things have to be addressed. She stated that 3 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee ,, August 28, 2001 Page Four the Committee did not have to do this but that it would give them a frame work to go on at the meetings. Stix asked if the Committee could come up with their own goals. Patti stated yes. She stated that this is the whole ideal behind the Stakeholders meetings to get input from everyone that has an interest. Jeanne Hearn stated that Patti had indicated that this would already be prepared by then. Patti stated that they would be a draft and not carved in stone. They are required to address specific requirements of the statute dealing with water quality and those types of things. She stated that neither the City nor the County have designated disposal sites. Stix asked if the Committee members would be able to get in touch with them before the meeting. Patti stated that the Committee already received Statute 9J5. Stix stated that if there is a requirement from a Statute that is requiring us to have goals he would like to see the Statute and what they mean by goals. Patti stated that the Statutes as well as 9J5 are on the web site for anyone to take a look at. Patti stated that she thought the Committee had seen this information. Chairman Johnson stated that they probably had. Patti stated for them to look under documents on the web site for the statutes. Patti stated that 9J5 is really the meat and potatoes as far as what is required in the Master Plan. Chairman Johnson stated that she personally thinks it is a good idea for the Committee to look at the web site and formulate something for the consultants to look at before the general Stakeholders meeting. Philip Steel stated that the Committee would have a great opportunity on September 14, 2001 meeting. Chairman Johnson asked if they would like to do that at the meeting with Jim Murley. Philip Steel stated that the Committee should do that. Patti asked do what. Philip Steel stated that the Committee would tell them what their goals are while they have the opportunity to have interaction of ideals. Patti stated that this sounded like a good idea. Chairman Johnson stated that one of the discussions would be the goals and objectives. Patti stated that she did not know if Mr. Murley would have anything by then but that they could certainly take a look at it. Philip Steel stated that they would certainly get him thinking. Patti stated she was sure he was thinking already. Philip Steel stated that you never know. Philip steel stated that this would be a good meeting for all to give him some of our ideas. Patti stated that the Joint Center has met with probably two thirds of the people in the room and discussed how to proceed. She stated that he has not met with the Harbor Advisory but has met with different Stakeholders on how to handle the Stakeholder meetings in November. Philip Steel asked who the Stakeholders are. Patti stated they are everybody property owners, environmental groups, civic groups etc. Philip stated he was surprised that no one had talked with him. Patti stated that basically a lot of people felt left out if they weren't. Charles Grande stated that they were saving the best for last. Patti stated that they were not asking for input specifically on what you thought should come out on the Master Plan, but more of how you envision it being conducted. Philip stated that if you talk about goals some of the members of the Committee have some very specific goals and this would be a good time to lay them on the table. Patti stated that she did not disagree. Chairman Johnson stated that goals and objectives would be one of the issue to discuss with 4 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee August 28, 2001 Page Five Mr. Murley on the 14th. Robert Anderson requested that everyone get a copy of the land use and zoning that would be allowed from the City so that everyone could understand what could be discussed in the Master Plan. Philip Steel stated he thought Ramon Trias should be invited to the meeting on September 14. Mr. Steel stated he was sure that the City would have some input. He stated that if the Committee was to be the advisory of the people, we needed to know what people are thinking, so that we can put it into our thought process. He stated that he would love to have Ramon there too just to tell us what they are thinking. Philip stated either Dennis or Ramon. Jeanne Hearn stated that in her opinion if it is not well coordinated between the City and the County it will be a royal battle until the end of the world. Patti stated this is what has happened in the past and the goal is not to repeat this. Philip Steel stated that he wanted Ramon or Dennis to give the Committee an update on what is going on and what their opinions and goals are. Philip stated that if they would like he would ask them to come and talk with the Committee. Stix stated that it may be good to get with them before the meeting with Mr. Murley so that Committee members can get the input and formulate some of the goals and come back on September 14 with an idea. Stix stated in other words meet with the City and brain storm with them and them come back with a vision for the County. Philip Steel stated that he thought that would be an overload and stated that he has too many other things to do. Stix asked whatever is implemented either by the Master Plan or the County's point of view what is the County prepared to do to implement that considering there is quite a bit of private property owned down there and the County only owns that twenty acre piece. He asked if the County was willing to put the twenty acre piece to the test from this particular information that we are gathering and what the goals are. Patti asked what he meant by test. Stix stated meaning if we come up with say whatever use the consensus agree to is the County ready to implement that on the property or do they have some specific idea that the property is to be used for something else. Patti stated that the County has an obligation through the referendum to certain things and she thinks that is what they will live with. Patti stated that the whole idea is to get public input beyond the Harbor Advisory Board too and there are a lot of people who want to give input. That is what we will be doing until November. She stated that it would not be done September 14 as there will be plenty of time for that. Patti stated that she could not tell them enough that they are working together so that the products are compatible and will enhance each other. She stated again why are we spending $300,000 between Fort Pierce and the County if we are not working together. Stix stated that history in the past when a product has been brought forth if it wasn't to the liking of what they wanted, it went onto the shelf and that money was wasted. He stated that his concern it that it does not happen again. Patti stated that is their goal and with the focus of a potential user maybe things will be a little different. Charles Grande stated that he thinks the County has already demonstrated in working with potential users their flexibility with the twenty acres. He stated that he did not think that had ever been a question. Mr. Grande stated the thing that he would like to 5 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee I%w August 28, 2001 Page Six suggest to the consultants is if they are considering coming up with a working draft of goals, objectives and policies to use as a starting point for the November 3, 2001 meeting. Patti stated that was the question she is asking. Mr. Grande stated that his suggestion would be after the September 14 meeting that the consultants get the proposed goals, objectives and policies onto the web site so those who will be attending the November 3 meeting will not get those proposals cold at the meeting but have an opportunity to view them as they evolve on the web site so that they can come to the November 3 meeting with whatever they would like to contribute. Patti stated that this was the goal behind the web site. Philip Steel stated that he liked that idea. Chairman Johnson stated that this was the purpose of it to be used by any individual not just this group. Robert Anderson asked if anyone had a response or checked with the City since the last meeting regarding the ordinance or code with the fencing, scrubs and tree ordinance or code that they have on how high barb wire. He stated that the question was asked at the last meeting and wondered if anyone had found out anything or if it had just sat on the back burner for the past month. He stated that this is a security issue for the whole port. Chairman Johnson stated that at the last meeting which is in the minutes on page 4 bottom paragraph tightening of the Security issue at the larger ports was brought up by Philip Steel and the fact that they would start using some of the smaller ports was an issue. She stated that the City Code Regulations and fencing became an issue when looking at tightening up security here and trying to work with City Code. Patti stated that she thought that with the Master Plan and the implementation plan that the City is doing we will see changes to the code and or Comprehensive Plans. She stated that if Fort Pierce realizes that their ordinance is not going to work given the Security requirements of the port they will have to modify it. Chairman Johnson stated that she is just saying to make sure that the City is aware of this issue. Patti stated ok. Chairman Johnson stated that she was serious. She stated that they have dealt with them on Comprehensive Plans before and that it has gone all the way to Tallahassee and changed from what the City had agreed to. She stated that she wanted them to deal with the security issues and fencing. Jeanne Hearn stated that she had a concern with the spoil and had read in the paper they would use perhaps Mr. Bell's property for spoil and then a Commissioner states that they do not allow spoil dumping within the City limits. Patti Tobin stated that it is a very complicated issue and then you put the two entities, the County and the City, with overlapping or different responsibilities. She stated that one of the things that they do know is that they are required to identify disposal sites. Jeanne Hearn stated that it does not say that it has to be within the City limits. Patti stated that if you have dredging in the community and the port is in the City of Fort Pierce they need a site. Jeanne stated that certainly the City has the right to protect their restoration and rejuvenation of the City if they do not want it to decline. Patti stated that she agreed and did not think that a disposal site would necessarily make it decline. She stated that you cannot have a port that will 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee August 28, 2001 Page Seven require maintenance dredging and not have a place to dispose of it which is what the statute is saying. Patti stated that we are in a dilemma in this County because we have not identified a disposal site which already puts us behind the eight ball. Jeanne stated that this is what she is saying that there is such a debate between the City and the County and that it is so important that they get together and iron this out. Patti stated that she thought as part of the City's implementation plan it will be recognized by them and they will have to take responsibility and the same things goes for the County. Jeanne stated that if you push the City too far they will say that they do not want a deep water port. Patti stated that we have property on the water with deep water use. Jeanne stated that word has it if you put too much pressure on the City they will just say we do not want a deep water port. Patti stated that we will see when their Implementation Plan comes out. She stated that she thought that the value of the waterfront was important to them. Jeanne stated that this would be sad because we have a port user, but she can understand if the City has to protect themselves. Bill Leshe asked if there are any report that have been issued by either the City or the County that are available to the public at this point other than the website. Patti stated the County does not have anything, but the City would be getting a product from their consultant toward the end of the month. She stated that it would be put on the website when submitted and permission is given to do so by the City. Bill asked if there was anything available from the agencies involved with the Port Master Plan. Patti stated that she was not aware of anything. Bob Bangert stated that there was a meeting with SK Patel not too long ago and information was given of some different disposal sites that had not been investigated and appeared to be very good. He asked if any reports had come back. Patti asked if it was the meeting with the Waterfront Council. Chairman Johnson stated right. Don West stated that SK and his group, BCI Engineers are in the process of designing the Taylor Creek Project and are in the process right now of looking a different sites and investigating them. Bob Bangert stated that there is a site on Route One that is supposed to be very good. Don stated that the sites that they are looking at are only for Taylor Creek dredging not for the overall port. Patti stated that this was a step in the right direction. Jeanne Hearn asked Patti if they were looking in the City for a permanent site for dredging Patti stated that she did not say that and what she said was that they have to identify a site and jointly they have to do that and if it is in the City fine and if not that's fine too but, that it needs to be done together as the Port Authority and as the City who is responsible for it. She stated that she did not know why it could not be out of their jurisdiction if that was what ended up coming out of it. Jeanne Hearn stated that it is a County port not a City port if the County has authority over it and to cram it in their City she did not know about that. Stix stated that he thought the City of Fort Pierce had an Ordinance against it. Patti stated that she had heard that but was unable to find anything. Philip Steel stated that he had seen it. Stix asked Don if any of the sites 7 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee August 28, 2001 Page Eight being identified were in the City. Don stated that they are scattered throughout some in the County some in the City. Robert Anderson stated that from what he has been told the site states that it cannot sit there for over so many days per container full or whatever. He stated that if it was being moved out on a regular basis that site could be used as long is it is not sitting for days. Philip Steel stated that Mr. Heffelbower did it and he is in the City. Patti stated that she had been unable to find it but would look again. Philip Steel stated that he had read it in the newspaper. Patti stated that they needed to read the code. Jeanne Hearn stated that you can not believe everything you read. Bill Leshe stated that this was a question for the County Attorney maybe they could get us an answer to it. 5. OTHER BUSINESS Jeanne Hearn stated that going back to the minutes she noticed that she had asked the question of how much had been invested by the County on the berthing permits. She stated that they had been told that they would get an answer. She stated that last month they did not have it and wanted to know when to expect and answer. Chairman Johnson asked Heather Young. Heather stated that she was not sure of what the dollar amount was. Chairman Johnson stated that she would check with Bob. Heather stated that she would mention it to Robert so that he could put the information in the packet for the next meeting. Jeanne stated that she also had asked a question about Mr. Bell sending a letter to the County making an offer for the permit and asked if the County had ever received a letter. Patti stated in light of potential problems with that she did not think that he was considering it anymore. Robert Anderson asked if any of the bids had come in on the possible dredging for Taylor Creek. Don West stated they are a long way from that. He stated that they have to go through design and get permits before they can advertise for bidding and are still in the early design stages right not and have a lot of work to do yet. Don stated that it would probably be next summer before they actually go to construction and it would probably be a year from now. Chairman Johnson asked if they are visiting sites. Don stated that they are looking at potential sites for the Taylor Creek dredging. Patti stated that they also have to have a Port Master Plan. Robert Anderson asked if this was just for the dredging of Taylor Creek. Patti stated yes. Jeanne Hearn asked if it was because of the funding. Patti stated yes. Chairman Johnson stated that the Coast Guard also attended the Security meeting. Chairman Johnson asked that staff inform Robert Bradshaw that the Committee wanted him to give a review of the FSTED meeting. 8 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee err+ August 28, 2001 Page Nine 6. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Philip Steel, seconded by Gail Kavanagh, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :23p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary c: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, St. Lucie County Engineer E FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting October 5, 2001 Convened: 2•1Op m Adjourned: 4:05p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Friday, October 5, 2001 at 2:1 Op.m. in Conference Room #3 ofthe Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson Members Absent: Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman David Souza Also Present: Marcie Wallace, Recording Secretary Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Don'West, County Engineer Kenneth Roberts, NSDC Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Charles Grande, Presidents Council of Hutchinson Island George Dawsey, International Longshoremen Rick Silva, The Tribune John Arena, Earth First Shirley Burlingham, Water Front Council/North Beach Asso. Ramon Trias, City of Fort Pierce John Holt, Conservation Alliance Gil Kennedy, Waterfront Council Bob Massarelli, Gee and Jenson Jim Murley, FAU/FIU Joint Center 6.2 n i Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee October 5, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 28, 2001 MEETING It was moved by Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Philip Steel, to approve the minutes of the August 28, 2001 meeting. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 3. PUBLIC COMMENT There was no public comment 4. REPORT FROM ROBERT BRADSHAW ON THE FDLE PORT SECURITY MEETING OF AUGUST 28, 2001 AND FSTED MEETING AUGUST 30, 2001. Robert Bradshaw stated all of the 14 Deepwater Seaports met on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 ✓ with FDLE to discuss security issues, address the security standards and identify the procedures needed to comply with the standards. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Port of Fort Pierce has been classified by FDLE as an undeveloped inactive Port. He stated that we are not required to participate in any of the upgrading of the Security Plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated that our Security Plan consists of the formation and activations of the Seaport Security Committee. He stated that the second component is the inclusion of a Seaport Security Component in the Master Plan. Mr. Bradshaw stated that these are the only two components that we have to be concerned with at this point. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the FSTED Council met and the Security Committee short listed some security consultants and the finalist was SEASECURE out of Fort Lauderdale. He stated that the consultant would be going to DC to lobby for Federal dollars for security issues. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he was elected as Vice Chairman of the Seaport Environmental Management Committee. 5. UPDATE BY DON WEST ON TAYLOR CREEK PROJECT Don West passed out copies of Minutes of the meeting held on September 21, 2001 with the different regulatory agencies related to Taylor Creek and a map to give a brief visual description of some of the potential spoil sites that are being looked at for the Taylor Creek Project. Don West stated that they are working with BCI Engineers and are evaluating different potential spoil sites for the project and looking at different methods of handling the 11*4 Sw c Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee +� October 5, 2001 Page Three i dredge material. He stated that once they have all of the data together they will hold an advertised public meeting. He stated that they hope to have all of the facts and figures narrowed down to just a few sites. Mr. West stated that they cannot submit an application for permit until a Spoil Site is picked. Mr. West answered questions and concerns from the Committee members and public in attendance and discussion ensued. 6. JIM MURLEY, FAU/FIU JOINT CENTER ON THE PORT MASTER PLAN Patti Tobin introduced the County Consultant, Jim Murley. Mr. Murley explained that he directs the Florida Atlantic University Joint Center for Environmental Urban Properties. Mr. Murley gave Committee members a brief overview of his background and introduced the team that would be working on this project. Mr. Murley presented the Committee with a copy of a newsletter that explain their activities the last six months. Mr. Murley explained that the other team also assisting with their team is the Center for Conflict and Resolution Consortium. He stated that they are also working closely with the City. Mr. Murley stated that they are under contract with the County to assist the County Commission and staff in the preparation of a deepwater Port Master Plan. He explained to the Committee the approach that they would take and identified the controlling rules and statutory authority that form the format within which any one of the 14 Deepwater Ports in the State of Florida and the communities in which they are hosted are prepared. Mr. Murley answered questions and concerns from the Committee and public in attendance. 7. PRESENTATION BY KATHLEEN FREDRICK ON OPERATION AMISTAD Gregory Fredrick gave a brief overview of Operation Amistad. He explained that Operation Amistad Waterfront Freedom Festival is the first of its kind in St. Lucie County. On December 6, 2001, the 129' schooner, Amistad, will sail into the Port of Fort Pierce. He stated that during a three day visit it will be host to an estimated 10,000 + visitors. He stated that December 7, 2001 is reserved exclusively for school tours with the 8th and 9`t' earmarked for the Freedom Festival. He stated that they are planning to bus in all St. Lucie County 4`h, 51h and 61h graders. Mr. Fredrick stated that both Indian River and Martin County school systems are planning on participating as well as private schools along the Treasure Coast. He stated that Amistad America is based in Connecticut and is a not for profit organization with the mission to teach the lesson of the Amistad Incidence of 1839 widely regarded as our Nation's first Civil Rights case to spread the message of tolerance, justice, equality and freedom. Mr. Fredrick stated that the Amistad is a floating history lesson. Mr. Fredrick gave a brief history of the Amistad and answered questions from Committee members and the public. 91 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee NW October 5, 2001 Page Four 8. COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO DISCUSS CITY RELATED PORT ISSUES WITH CITY OFFICIAL Ramon Trias came to represent the City and asked Committee members for any questions or concerns they had. Phillip Steel stated that at one time he had asked Mr. Trias if the City could put together a Seaport Advisory Committee like the County Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee and wondered if anything had been done yet. Mr. Trias thanked him for reminding him of it. Mr. Trias stated that he was unsure why he was invited to the meeting and wondered what issues the Committee needed to discuss with him. Mr. Trias stated that he would try to answer any questions that the Committee had for him. Mr. Bradshaw apologized to the Committee and Mr. Trias and stated that he was unable to reach Mr. Trias prior to the meeting to get him up to speed on the questions and concerns of the Committee. Chairman Johnson stated that she would like Mr. Trias to give the Committee an overview of what is happening with the City's consultants. Mr. Trias stated that their consultant was working very hard at the implementation aspects of the Charette Master Plan which is the current plan for any kind of policy decision and will help the City deal with people that are looking to build things at the Port. He stated that a report would be public on Tuesday and would give some recommendation of the practical aspects of the Port. Mr. Trias went on to explain some of the issues the consultant would be working on and explained that the consultant would bring back recommendations for the City and County to consider. Chairman Johnson asked that any reports be given to the Committee members via Robert Bradshaw as soon as they are available. Chairman Johnson stated that she personally would like a complete report along with an the Executive Summary. 9. OTHER BUSINESS Chairman Johnson referred to the memorandum from the Clerk of Courts Finance Department responding to the Committee's request for the monetary value of the Berth Permitting thus far. She stated that in the memo it was stated that the County did not assign a project number to a direct account for the specific costs and that they would need to search records by vendor or expenditure accounts in order to identify the costs. Chairman Johnson asked if this procedure had been changed. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he did not know. Discussion ensued regarding the tracking of County costs that have been expended on the Berth Permits. 4 R Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee •� October 5, 2001 Page Five It was moved by Philip Steel, seconded by Jeanne Hearn, that Chairman Johnson construct a letter regarding the Committee's concerns to the County Commission to investigate how the money has been spent on the Berth Permits for the last 10 years in St. Lucie County. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 10. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Gail Kavanagh, seconded by Mary Ann Bryan, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :05p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary c: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza { Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, County Engineer 5 �. FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting October 23, 2001 Convened: 3.08p m Adjourned: 4:04p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, October 23, 2001 at 3:08p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Member Absent: Philip Steel Also Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Liz Martin, Executive Aide to Comm. Hutchinson Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Barbara Felton, Executive Aide to Comm. Lewis Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Katherine MacKenzie -Smith, Assistant County Attorney Sonya Smith, SLC Public Information Officer Richard Bouchard, SLC Public Works n Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee October 23, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. PUBLIC COMMENT Robert Anderson commented on short notice of the last Special Meeting on October 5, 2001 and stated that he would have attended, but did not have adequate notification. Robert Anderson commented on the Dock Lease Agreement with the Rachel B. Jackson and questioned the fees the County will charge for dockage. Mr. Anderson gave Committee members information he gathered regarding fees at other docks. 3. RECOMMENDATION TO ENTER INTO D O CK LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE NORTH DOCK ON SOUTH CAUSEWAY ISLAND Robert Bradshaw explained that proposals were opened on October 3, 2001 and the County had only one response, which was Andrew Keblinsky, of the Schooner, Rachel B. Jackson. He stated staff recommends a one year lease and rent of one dollar per paying customer or $100.00 a month. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they would have one amendment to the agreement which would be to let the Amistad have use of the dock between December 6, 2001 and December 16, 2001. He stated that they have notified Mr. Keblinsky and he has agreed to either vacate the dock or make adjustment to accommodate the Amistad. He stated that he would like for the Committee to make a recommendation to go before the County Commission at the November 6, 2001 meeting. Staff answered questions and concerns from Committee members and the public in attendance. Discussion ensued. It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Kevin Jackson, to charge the Rachel B. Jackson $250.00 in monthly rent with a one year lease and also pay their own utilities, garbage, water and electric and that they vacate or make arrangement with the Captain of the Amistad for dock space when they come in December 6, 2001 through December 16, 2001. s Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee W October 23, 2001 Page Three Roll Call vote as follows: Chairman Delores Johnson No Kevin Jackson Yes Gail Kavanagh Yes Comm. Maryann Bryan Yes Stix Nickson Yes David Souza Yes Jeanne Hearn Yes Philip Steel Absent The vote was six to one to accept the motion as stated and recommend it to the County Commission at the November 6, 2001 meeting. 4. OTHER BUSINESS Chairman Johnson asked for an update on beach erosion. Richard Bouchard stated that he was just at an Army Corp. of Engineers meeting and stated **a✓ that they should be doing a re -nourishment in 2002/2003. He stated that they would be re - nourishing the 1.3 mile stretch of beach. Mr. Bouchard explained how the currents and wave action effect the beach and some of the options they are considering to prevent so much erosion. He answered questions and concerns from Committee members. Robert Anderson suggested the use of Palms tree to help hold the dune line. Chairman Johnson stated to the Committee that she is doing a memo to the Commissioner requesting information on the expenditures on the Berth Permits and asked Mr. Bradshaw about the letter/memo that Mr. Anderson wrote to the Finance office. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would get the information for them. Chairman Johnson stated that she would get with Mr. Bradshaw after the meeting to discuss it. Jeanne Hearn asked for a report on the FSTED meeting. Robert Bradshaw stated that they talked about Security Issues and finalized an agreement with the Security Consultant SEASECURE out of Fort Lauderdale. He stated that they have asked the consultant to lobby on the Federal level for Federal funds to help subsidize the Security Measure that would be coming down in the next two years. Mr. Bradshaw stated that Senator Graham and Senator Hollings are sponsoring a Bill that would help earmark Federal funding for Seaport Security. He stated that the Coast Guard is the lead agency for Fort Pierce and the Captain of the Port is out of Miami. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee October 23, 2001 Page Four 5. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Kevin Jackson, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :04p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary c: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson David Souza Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorneys Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, County Engineer 4 FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting November 27, 2001 Convened: 3:09p.m. Adjourned: 4:15p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 3:09p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Gail Kavanagh Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Members Absent: Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Philip Steel Also Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Victoria Winfield, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident andrio) Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Bill Leshe, Indian River Terminal Kenneth Roberts, NSDC Barbara Felton, Executive Aide to Comm. Lewis Patti Tobin, Economic Development Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Charles Grande, Presidents Council of Hutchinson Island Emily Grande, Hutchinson Island Resident Charline Burgess, Executive Aide to Comm. Coward Jim Reeder, The Palm Beach Post George Dawsey, I.L.A. Don West, County Engineer on Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee November 27, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN Chairman Johnson opened the floor for nominations for Chairman. It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by David Souza, to elect Gail Kavanagh as Chairman of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. It was moved by Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Comm. Maryann Bryan, to elect Kevin Jackson as Vice Chairman of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 3. PUBLIC COMMENT Robert Anderson asked if the County is still mandated by the State of Florida to have a permanent disposal site. Don West stated he was unsure, but thought that the Master Plan process would address this issue. Robert Anderson asked for someone to please find out the answer to his question and fespond by the next meeting. Pattie Tobin informed Committee members that in Chapter 163 of the Port Master Plan it states that a site plan should be idenified. Discussion ensued regarding the upland disposal site. Mr. Anderson commented on the Berth Permits, and for the record, he would like to state as a resident of St. Lucie County, he felt that they should be able to give a cost expenditure as to what has been expended on them thus far in case the County decides to sell the permits. Bob Bangert stated that legally the County cannot sell the Berthing Permits. 4. UPDATE ON PORT MASTER PLAN - PATTI TOBIN Patti Tobin stated that the third meeting is scheduled for November 29, 2001, in Room #101 between 6:00p.m. and 9:00p.m. She stated that they would have draft copies of the Goals, Objectives and Policies for review and there would be an end to the deliberations that have been taking place. Ms. Tobin stated that the meeting summaries of October 30`' and 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee November 27, 2001 Page Three November 14'hare posted on the website and copies would be available at the meeting. She stated that they would be setting a date for a January meeting to view the document Goals, Objectives and Policies as well as the data and analysis section. Ms. Tobin answered question from Committee members and the public. 5. DISCUSSION OF BERTH PERMITS - DELORES HOGAN JOHNSON Chairman Johnson stated that she put together a letter for the Board of County Commissioners with a certain amount of specificity trying to get a ballpark figure on the expenditures spent on the Berth Permits thus far. She stated that one newspaper article quoted an amount of $300,000.00 that had been spent overall. Chairman Johnson stated that they did receive the letter from the Clerk stating that they did not have any kind of numbers. She stated that this response to her and several others was just not acceptable. Chairman Johnson explained her concerns and reasons why the Committee and County Taxpayers should have these figures available to them. Discussion ensued among the Committee members regarding the Beth Permit expenditures. Stix Nickson asked that Mr. Bradshaw have someone come and give the current status of each of the Berthing Permits. 6. CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE PARTICIPATION IN THE FSTED SECL-RIT-Y ASSESSMENT AS PROVIDED BY THE SEAPORT SECURITY CONSULTANT FOR A PRORATED FEE OF S10,000.00 Robert Bradshaw stated FSTED is initiating steps to create a Model Security Program for each of the 14 Deepwater Seaports in Florida. He stated that in order to complete the Model Security Program a Security Management survey has to be conducted. Mr. Bradshaw stated that FSTED has contracted with SEASECURE as their lead Security Consultant for the deepwater Ports and the contract total amount is $222,000.00 a year. He stated each of the 14 Ports «711 be assessed a basic security fee of $10,000.00 which will provide for the Security Management survey and the Model Security Program. tir. Bradshaw stated that the Port of Fort Pierce Management Survey is scheduled for May or June of 2002. He stated that FSTED is requiring that all Ports participate in this, therefore staff will be asking the Board of County Commission to fund an additional $10,000.00 from the Port budget for the Security Program. Mr. Bradshaw stated that staff has come to this Committee for their consideration and recommendation for this. Discussion ensued among the Committee members and staff. 3 n Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee November 27, 2001 Page Four It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Gail Kavanagh, to recommend that the County Commission support the FSTED Councils Port Security Plan and invest the $10,000.00 for the Security Program and that the County Commission go forward with it. The motion carried by voice vote. 7. OTHER BUSINESS It was decided by Committee members to cancel the December meeting and meet in January at the regularly scheduled date of January 22, 2002. Jeanne Hearn commented about the swift tide at the dock where the Amistad will be located and stated that a child could fall off the dock and that the County should consider putting up some type of rail to secure it. Chairman Johnson asked that this information be passed on to Doug Anderson. Chairman Johnson thanked the Committee for their support during her term as Chairman and stated that she is looking forward to working at the Commissioners pleasure 8. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Gail Kavanagh, seconded by Stix Nickson, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :1 5p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan 4 Stix Nickson David Souza Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, County Engineer FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting January 22, 2002 Convened: 3:03 p.m. Adjourned: 4:37 p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, Januar}' 22, 2002 at 3:03p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Gail Kavanagh, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Delores Hogan Johnson • Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Christine Coke Member Absent: Philip Steel Also Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Don West, County Engineer Bill Leshe, Indian River Terminal Kenneth Roberts, Indian River Terminal Barbara Felton, Executive Aide to Comm. Lewis Patti Tobin, Economic Development Charles Grande, Presidents Council of Hutchinson Island Emily Grande, Hutchinson Island residence Mary Chapman, North Hutchinson Island Richard Carrell, Bernard Egan & Company Betty Lou Wells, Conservation Alliance of SLC Jeff Blair, FCRC Jim Murley, FAU/FIU Joint Center Commissioner Frannie Hutchinson John Arena, Earth First Gerald Kuklinski, Waterfront Council Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 22, 2002 Page Two AGENDA ROLL CALL Chairman Kavanagh introduced and welcomed new member Commissioner Christine Coke to the Committee. Chairman Kavanagh read into the record a letter from Philip Steel dated January 16, 2002. Please see attached copy. Roll call was taken 2. PUBLIC COMMENT Chairman Kavanagh announced that once the presentation had started there would be no comment from the public, just the Committee members in order for the presenters to finish in a timely manner. John Arena stated that he is wondering why landing ships are on our beaches. He also commented on the loading and unloading of barges without proper facilities because of the damage it could cause to the lagoon. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would address Mr. Arena's concerns after the meeting. Charles Grande stated that he hoped Chairman Kavanagh would reconsider the public comment since the previous Chairman had allowed public comment on an issue by issue basis. He stated that the problem is that most of the public attending do not get the agenda until they physically get to the meeting. Therefore, there is no time to think about the specific items that come up to the Advisory group until there is a certain level of discussion. Mr. Grande stated that it has worked well this past year having public comment before the Advisory group takes a vote on any issue. Chairman Kavanagh stated that she would see how things worked out with this particular meeting. UPDATE ON BEACH EROSION - RICHARD BOUCHARD Richard Bouchard, Coastal Engineer for St. Lucie County, gave an update to the Committee on beach erosion. He stated the sand should be on the beach in 2003 and that they are having the consultant pursue a feasibility study to look into the possibility of by passing sand from eitherNorth Beach or finding other shoaling areas for quality and quantity to see if there is any feasible way to put the sand on the South Beach area. He stated the other aspects of the project are dealing with construction of some structures just south of the inlet. Mr. Bouchard stated that right now there is sand filled tubes in place which are in need of repair, but are acting as temporary Bandaids until something more permanent can be placed there. Mr. Bouchard stated that toward the end of February or sometime in March, he will have a presentation by the consultants to the Erosion District Board to decide what the best option is for structures south of the inlet area. He 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 22, 2002 Page Three stated that a lot of time and effort has been put into protecting the shoreline there and a more permanent solution is worthy of pursuing. Mr. Bouchard answered questions and concerns from the Committee members. 4. CONSIDERATION AND RECO`I`IENDATION REGARDING PORT MASTER PLAN - JIM MURLEY Jim Murley gave Committee members an update on the Port Master Plan. He stated that they are still in the process of finding the draft master plan and explained how it will fit into the over all plan of the activities surrounding the Port area. He stated that they met with the County Commissioners this morning and they would be meeting with the City Commission this evening. Mr. Murley stated that there is another public workshop scheduled for the 30' and then a joint City/County Commission meeting scheduled for March 19, 2002. He stated that they would not be making any significant changes to the document until they had all of the input from these meetings. Mr. Murley stated that input from the public and the elected officials would be gathered and then changes would be made. Mr. Murley stated that the consulting team is made up of his office the FAU Joint Center for Environmental Urban Problems based in Jupiter, Fort Lauderdale and the main campus in Boca. He stated that Jeff Blair is with a university based group, the Center for Conflict Resolution Consortium. He stated that the County has asked the consulting team to conduct a survey. Mr. Murley stated that a Port Master Plan in state law is very unique because there are only 14 ports that are mentioned in Florida Statues that are referred to as deep water ports and those 14 ports must do this plan. He stated that the ultimate document ends up in a local government comprehensive plan of the Coastal Management elements. He stated that any good planned exercise should have a vision and one of the important pieces that was in place for us coming in when we have this year was that we were working off of the Charette plan done in the mid 90's as one of the mission guides. He stated they understand the Charette did not answer all of the questions and the final document may not have been totally reflective of everything that everyone believes it should have. He stated that the Charette was important to everyone they have talked to and this is why it has been kept right at the top to help frame the issues. Mr. Murley stated that one of the things that is unique in this community is the whole status of the Port in relationship to the County and the City. He stated that at one time the legislature established a Port and Airport Authority for the Port of Fort Pierce which is the Board of County Commissioners operating under a special act of the Legislature and the Legislature repealed the special act and said that all remaining Authorities and their responsibilities that had been with that special authority lay with the County Commission. He stated that the Port planning or operations area as describe is totally within the City of Fort Pierce. Mr. Murley stated that this is rather unusual and what it means is that the document that is produced and that everyone is advising them on is finally signed off by the County Commission at the end of February and inserted into the City Comprehensive Plan. Therefore, it is important to have the City's input in this process. He stated that they are meeting with the City this evening. Mr. Murley stated that the City has a consultant on board, Maritime Trust and Gee & Jensen and they have produced documents which are referred to as Port Implementation Plans. Mr. Murley gave a brief overview of things controlling what happens in the Community on the ground. He stated that they are doing a very important piece, but they are not doing everything. Therefore, everything needs to fit together. Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee January 22, 2002 Page Four Jeff Blair with the Conflict Resolution Consortium passed out two documents and explained that one is the overview of the public participation or input process and the second is a survey. He explained that they would like Committee members to fill out a survey by going through draft #2 of the Goals, Objectives and Policies. He asked that Committee members complete the survey by Friday, February 1, 2002 and submit it in to Patti Tobin. Mr. Blair stated that they felt it was very important and that they would really appreciate the Committees feedback on this. Robert Bradshaw stated that xN-hat they are looking for is a general overview and some sort of comfort level on what the second draft has in it. Delores Johnson asked if Mr. Murley could comment on the reaction from the County Commission meeting. Mr. Murley gave Committee members a brief overview of discussion from the County Commission meeting. Chairman Kavanagh opened the floor for comments and questions from the Committee members. Discussion ensued among Committee member regarding items in the draft. Chairman Kavanagh addressed each member of the Committee and asked that they give their concerns or input on draft #2. Delores Johnson stated that she '%wanted the shalls and wills as opposed to shozilds to be dealt with. There was no further comment from the Committee members on the draft. Robert Bradshaw asked Chairman Kavanagh if she felt that Committee members had a comfort level to make a recommendation back to the Board based on the document presented to them today. Chairman Kavanagh asked for comments from the Committee members. Jeanne Hearn stated that she felt that the Committee should wait for the City/County joint meeting before making a decision. Patti Tobin stated that the goal of staff is to get a recommendation from the Committee prior to Board action. She asked that the Committee let staff know when thev would like to take action. Discussion ensued regarding having a quorum for the Harbor meeting on February 26, 2002. Patti Tobin suggested that the Committee move the March meeting up in order to give the County Commission a recommendation before their vote on March 12, 2002. She stated that they would also have the new draft to review before the recommendation. 5. OTHER BUSINESS Jeanne Hearn asked when the next FSTED meeting would be and if the County would be sending someone. Robert Bradshaw stated that the County would have a representative at the meeting in March. He stated that he would keep the Committee updated. rd Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee �hw January 22, 2002 Page Five Jeanne Hearn commented about Mr. Arena's question and damage to the sea grasses and asked if anyone had any information or could find out. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he did not know, but would check into it. Delores Johnson stated that she would like to see that the public has an opportunity to speak after the presentations. Chairman Kavanagh stated that public comment has been drawn out at times and the Committee has been unable to meet in a timely manner and do the job they were appointed to do. Mr. Bradshaw stated that Gail had a huge concern about the way that the agenda was drafted, but the Chairman of the Board of County Commission was adamant about keeping public comments in that spot. He stated that Chairman Kavanagh wanted public comment after the presentations. Chairman Kavanagh confirmed that the Chairman of the County Commission adamantly wanted the agenda in that order. ADJO14WI[ENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Delores Johnson, seconded by Kevin Jackson, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :37p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary c: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: ' Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Commissioner Christine Coke Stix Nickson David Souza Board of Count}, Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, County Engineer FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting March 11, 2002 Convened: 3.04 p.m. Adjourned: 4:03 p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Monday, March 11, 2002 at 3:04p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Gail Kavanagh, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Christine Coke Jerry Kuklinski Stix Nickson (Late 3:06p.m.) Member Absent: Delores Hogan Johnson Also Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Dennis Murphy, Community Development Director Don West, County Engineer Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Charles Grande, Presidents Council of Hutchinson Island Emily Grande, Hutchinson Island Resident John Arena, Earth First Betty Lou Wells, Conservation Alliance of SLC Barbara Felton, Executive Aide to Comm. Paula Lewis Gilbert Kennedy, Waterfront Council n Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee March 11, 2002 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Chairman Kavanagh introduced and welcomed new member Jerry Kuklinski to the Committee. Roll call was taken 2. PUBLIC COMMENT John Arena commented on the Sailing Ship Industry and asked that they be included on the RFP/Q when it goes out. He stated that he had given the name and address of one company to Doug AndersoQ's secretary and would be getting more names and addresses. 3. CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION REGARDING DRAFT #4 OF THE PORT MASTER PLAN - DENNIS MURPHY Dennis Murphy, Community Development Director, stated the County Commission would be reviewing the final set of Draft Goals and Objectives for the Port of Fort Pierce Master Plan. Mr. Murphy stated that the County Commission is charged to set the basic policy guidelines for the operations, to the City of Fort Pierce. He stated that the County Commission is not trying to set final land use control or final land use authority within the confines of the Port of Fort Pierce, other than the area that is over their automatic jurisdiction, which is the unincorporated part of the County. He stated that the City of Fort Pierce still retains all land use and zoning control within the Port areas within the City limits. Mr. Murphy gave a brief highlight of the Goals, Objectives, and Policies in Draft 4, the final version of the document, and asked for questions and comments from Committee members. Discussion ensued among Committee members regarding the document. It was moved by David Souza, seconded by Christine Coke, to accept or reject Draft 4 of the Goals, Objectives, and Policies as it stands to the County Commission for recommendation. Roll Call vote as follows: Commissioner Christine Coke Accept Jeanne Hearn Reject Kevin Jackson Accept Delores Johnson Absent Chairman Gail Kavanagh Accept Jerry Kuklinski Reject Stix Nickson Reject David Souza Accept The vote was four to three to accept Draft 4 as it stands and recommend it to the County Commission. 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee March 11, 2002 Page Three CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION REGARDING RFQ# 02-053 DESIGN, BUILD AND OPERATION OF ASSOCIATED UPLAND DEVELOPMENT AT THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE Robert Bradshaw stated that all Committee members should have a copy of RFQT 02-053 in their packet. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the RFQ (Request for Qualifications) is the initial phase and the second phase is the RFP (Request for Proposals) for the development of the Port property. He stated that the County is currently in discussions with Mr. Bell regarding the use of the Port property that he owns. He stated that the RFQ is entitled development of eighty seven acres or a portion thereof. He stated that it was drafted like that to include the twenty acres that the County owns and controls, plus the possible sixty seven acres that Mr. Bell owns and controls. Don West stated that on page 10 of the document it references the two property owners and gives a back ground on the Harbor Pointe property and Mr. Bell's property. Don West explained the two point process and the phases of the process to the Committee. He stated that if the Port Master Plan is approved tomorrow by the Board then they would ask for the submittals to come in around May V. It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by David Souza, to approve and recommend the County Commission move forward with the RFQ/P #02-053 DESIGN, BUILD AtiD OPERATION OF ASSOCIATED UPLAND DEVELOPMENT AT THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 5. OTHER BUSINESS Jeanne Hearn asked if Berth 4 had been approved as an active berth. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he did not know. Don West stated that there was permit drawings on it, but did not know if it was approved as formal. Chairman Kavanagh asked if they could get that information for the next meeting. Jeanne Hearn asked about Port Security and how we would pay Port Security fees that would be forthcoming according to articles in National News. Robert Bradshaw stated that FDLE has characterized us as an undeveloped inactive Port and we are not in the mix right now. Jeanne Hearn stated that she was inquiring about the future. Robert stated that we are participating with FSTED as far as a contract with a lead security consultant SEASECURE, and they are currently conducting Phase I survey of our Port. He stated that we are not considered to be a threat at this time; we are a low minimum risk seaport. Jeanne Hearn stated that she is still concerned about the future. Discussion ensued on the funding for the Port security. 3 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee March 11, 2002 Page Four 6. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Commissioner Christine Coke, seconded by Jeanne Hearn, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :03p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary c: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Commissioner Christine Coke Stix Nickson David Souza Jerry Kuklinski Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, County Engineer 4 FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting April 23, 2002 Convened: 3.03 p.m. Adjourned: 4:11 p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Nvas held Tuesday, April 23, 200,2 at 3:03p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Gail Kavanagh, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Jeanne Hearn David Souza Commissioner Christine Coke Jerry Kuklinski Stix Nickson Delores Hogan Johnson Also Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Charles Grande, Presidents Council of Hutchinson Island Emily Grande, Hutchinson Island residence Robert P. Anderson, Resident Indrio Bob Dangert, Conservation Alliance Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee April 23, 2002 Page Two AGENDA ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. PUBLIC COMMENT Charles Grande commented that another ship is docked where the Rachel B. Jackson was. Heather Young addressed Mr. Grande's concerns under other business. Charles Grande stated that in the prior administration of this Committee there was a positive effort to allow public participation on the agenda items. He commented on why he thought public input at these meetings was important to the Committee and the County Commission. Chairman Kavanagh gave her feelings on public input at the meetings and asked the Committee members to give their feelings on this subject. Discussion ensued among Committee members and the public in attendance. It was moved by Commissioner Christine Coke, seconded by Jerry Kuklinski, to have public comment limited to three minutes per person at the beginning of the agenda under the public comment section. Have the presentation of the agenda item. Open the floor to public comment with a limit of three minutes per person, close public comment and then have Committee discussion. Roll Call vote as follows: Commissioner Christine Coke Yes Jeanne Hearn Yes Kevin Jackson Yes Delores Johnson Yes Jerry Kuklinski Yes Stix Nickson Yes David Souza Yes Chairman Gail Kavanagh No The vote was seven to one to accept the motion. Robert Anderson asked Don West and Robert Bradshaw if they could give him any insight on the Seminole property recently purchased by Lloyd Bell, on the acreage which is environmentally sensitive, land and also the mosquito compound. Mr. Bradshaw stated that he would have to get with Jim David, Mosquito Control Director, for that information. 7 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee April 23, 2002 Page Three 3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OCTOBER 5, 2001 APPROVAL OF MINUTES JANUARY 22, 2002 APPROVAL OF MINUTES MARCH 11, 2002 It was moved by Kevin Jackson, seconded by Delores Johnson, to table the minutes for approval at next month's meeting in order to give the Committee members time to review. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. 4. UPDATE ON BERTH PER, 1ITS - DOUG ANDERSON Mr. Anderson gave a brief description of the four Berths. He stated that Berth Permits One and Four are good until May of 2003 and Two and Three are on an extension from Department of Environmental Protection. 11r. Anderson explained after talking with DEP they have extended the permits to June until it is decided what will happen with the Port. He stated that he explained to DEP that they need to extend the permits until it is decided what will happen with the Port and what the proposals will look like when they are turned in. Mr. Anderson stated that when they see the complexity of the designs, it will give them a better handle on how long the permits need to be extended. He stated during the month of May, the County will select the engineering firms for the Port Property. Mr. Anderson answered questions and concerns from the Committee members and the public in attendance. UPDATE ON RFQ/P #02-053 - ROBERT BRADSHAW Mr. Bradshaw stated the County has issued an RFQ/RFP for the Design, Build and Operation of the development of the 87 acres or a portion thereof for the Port. He stated that last Monday, April 156, the County hosted a volunteer pre -submission conference and site visit to the property. Mr. Bradshaw stated that they had approximately 25 people in attendance. He gave Committee members a rundown of the people in attendance. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the RFQ/RFPs are due into the County next Wednesday, May Pt. He stated that the County will appoint a selection or review Committee to review the proposals that have been submitted. He stated that to date they have not received any proposals. Mr. Bradshaw stated that after the pre -Submittal meeting he felt they would have at least four or five responders that would do a nice job in presenting something for the property. Mr. Bradshaw addressed questions and concerns from the Committee members. 6. OTHER BUSINESS Heather Young, Assistant County Attorney, stated that there was an Agenda Item at the County Commission meeting today .-%-hich was a restatement of the lease with Bounty Sailing owned by Andrew Keblinsky, Rachel B. Jackson. She stated that this was done to clarify insurance and payment procedures. She stated the other ship that is there belongs to Errol Houck and he is paying the County to dock his boat there for a couple of weeks until his dock space opens up. 3 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee **✓ April 23, 2002 Page Four Jeanne Hearn asked if we have proven that funds are allowable for the Mega Yacht Industry through FSTED in writing. Mr. Bradshaw stated that FSTED acts as a clearing house for the monies. He stated that the three agencies that approve it are FDOT, DCA and OTTED and each has their own criteria. Mr. Bradshaw stated that we have not submitted anything for this particular project at this time. He stated that the Taylor Creek Project is the only one we have an application in for now. Mr. Bradshaw stated that on April 25, 2002, the Governor will sign the Bill for the 311 funds for security measures. He stated that the next Florida Ports Council Meeting will be May 22 through May 24, 2002, in Key Rest and the Next formal FSTED meeting would be June 26, 2002 through June 27, 2002, in Tallahassee. Mr. Bradshaw gave a brief overview of the funding they would be asking for in the application. Jeanne Hearn questioned the lease approved by the County Commission for the Rachael B. Jackson. She stated that we should not make a decision without knowing how his business went while he was here. Jeanne Hearn stated that from time to time there were other ships docked there and wondered if he was sub leasing the dock. She stated that she would have liked for the Committee to have heard the facts. Mr. Bradshaw reminded Mrs. Hearn that the Committee approved the contract prior to the Commission meeting. She stated that it is changing now. Discussion ensued among Committee members and staff regarding the fees charged. Bob Bangert asked if the aragonite could be kept in the Silos. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the County has been working with AES trying to relocate them, and one of the options -vas to use the Silos. They are owned by Sea Mist and the County has been unable to talk with anyone there. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Delores Johnson, seconded b}Commissioner Christine Coke, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :11p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary c: Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Commissioner Christine Coke Stix Nickson David Souza M Jerry Kuklinski Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, County Engineer BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS May 6, 2002 Michael W. Sole, Director Office of Beaches & Shores and Coastal Sy stems Florida Department of Environmental Protection Twin Towers Office Building 2600 Blair Stone Road Tallahassee, FL., 32399-2400 RE: Fort Pierce Expansion Project File No. 0129409-001 Request for extension of Time to Complete Application Dear Mr. Sole: COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DOUGLAS M. ANDERSON On behalf of the St. Lucie County Port Authority for the Port of Fort P:=-rce, please consider this a request fot additional time to complete the pending application for expansion of the Port cf Fort Pierce. We received four (4) responses to our Request For Qualifications/Proposals to develop the Port project on May 1, 2002. We will be selecting an engineer to work for the County to assist in designing the project this month. Due to these circumstances, it would be extremely difficult for us to say exactly when we will be submitting our response to the Department's pending Request for Additional Information (RAI). However, in order to move the process along as efficiently as possible, the County would request a meeting with the Department prior to making our submitt so that we can address all issues as adequately as possible. The Department may have additional questions cc-:cerning the pending RAI as well as our next submission. Thus, we acknowledge that we would be obligated to respond to the Department requests as well as the need to comply with Department current standards. Hopefully you would understand that the County has a desire to keep this process ongoing and save what resources have been expended in the form of any initial permit fee applications and other costs. In closing, I would like to thank you for the consideration of this req::est and respectfully suggest that this extension be granted until Decem ber 2002. Again, thank y�efr your assistance. Sincerely uYab Anderson ouministrator DM2-40 c: Board of County Commissioners Robert Bradshaw, Assistant County Administrator Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Senator Ken Pruitt Steve Lewis, Esq. Harbor Advisory Committee JOHN D. DRUHN. District No. 1 • DOUG COWARD, District No. 2 • PAULA A. LEWIS, District Na- : FRANNIE HUTCHINSON, Disrricr No. 4 • CLIFF BARNES, District No. 5 County Administroror - Douglas 2300 Virginia Avenue • Fort Pierce, FL 34982-5652 • Phone (772) 462-1450 • TDD (772) 462-1428 FAX (772) 462-1648 • emoil: douccZco.sr-lucie.fl.us r FORT PIERCE HARBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE Minutes of Meeting November 27, 2001 Convened: 3.09p m Adjourned: 4:15p.m. This meeting of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee was held Tuesday, November 27, 2001 at 3:09p.m. in Conference Room #3 of the Administration Annex Building, 2300 Virginia Avenue, Fort Pierce, Florida. Members Present: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Gail Kavanagh Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan Stix Nickson Jeanne Hearn David Souza Members Absent: Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman �4w Philip Steel LM Also Present: Missy Stiadle, Recording Secretary Victoria Winfield, Assistant County Attorney Robert Anderson, Resident (Indrio) Carla Roccapriore, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Bill Leshe, Indian River Terminal Kenneth Roberts, NSDC Barbara Felton, Executive Aide to Comm. Lewis Patti Tobin, Economic Development Bob Bangert, Conservation Alliance Charles Grande, Presidents Council of Hutchinson Island Emily Grande, Hutchinson Island Resident Charline Burgess, Executive Aide to Comm. Coward Jim Reeder, The Palm Beach Post George Dawsey, I.L.A. Don West, County Engineer Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee November 27, 2001 Page Two AGENDA 1. ROLL CALL Roll call was taken 2. ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN Chairman Johnson opened the floor for nominations for Chairman. It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by David Souza, to elect Gail Kavanagh as Chairman of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. It was moved by Jeanne Hearn, seconded by Comm. Maryann Bryan, to elect Kevin Jackson as Vice Chairman of the Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. ,rit 3. PUBLIC COMMENT Robert Anderson asked if the County is still mandated by the State of Florida to have a permanent disposal site. Don West stated he was unsure, but thought that the Master Plan process would address this issue. Robert Anderson asked for someone to please find out the answer to his question and respond by the next meeting. Pattie Tobin informed Committee members that in Chapter 163 of the Port Master Plan it states that a site plan should be idenified. Discussion ensued regarding the upland disposal site. Mr. Anderson commented on the Berth Permits, and for the record, he would like to state as a resident of St. Lucie County, he felt that they should be able to give a cost expenditure as to what has been expended on them thus far in case the County decides to sell the permits. Bob Bangert stated that legally the County cannot sell the Berthing Permits. 4. UPDATE ON PORT MASTER PLAN - PATTI TOBIN Patti Tobin stated that the third meeting is scheduled for November 29, 2001, in Room # 101 between 6:00p.m. and 9:00p.m. She stated that they would have draft copies of the Goals, Objectives and Policies for review and there would be an end to the deliberations that have been taking place. Ms. Tobin stated that the meeting summaries of October 30"' and *lrr' 2 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee November 27, 2001 Page Three November 14" are posted on the website and copies would be available at the meeting. She stated that they would be setting a date for a January meeting to view the document Goals, Objectives and Policies as well as the data and analysis section. Ms. Tobin answered question from Committee members and the public. 5. DISCUSSION OF BERTH PERMITS - DELORES HOGAN JOHNSON Chairman Johnson stated that she put together a letter for the Board of County Commissioners with a certain amount of specificity trying to get a ballpark figure on the expenditures spent on the Berth Permits thus far. She stated that one newspaper article quoted an amount of $300,000.00 that had been spent overall. Chairman Johnson stated that they did receive the letter from the Clerk stating that they did not have any kind of numbers. She stated that this response to her and several others was just not acceptable. Chairman Johnson explained her concerns and reasons why the Committee and County Taxpayers should have these figures available to them. Discussion ensued among the Committee members regarding the Beth Permit expenditures. Stix Nickson asked that Mr. Bradshaw have someone come and give the current status of each of the Berthing Permits. 6. CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE PARTICIPATION IN THE FSTED SECURITY ASSESSMENT AS PROVIDED BY THE SEAPORT SECURITY CONSULTANT FOR A PRORATED FEE OF $10,000.00 Robert Bradshaw stated FSTED is initiating steps to create a Model Security Program for each of the 14 Deepwater Seaports in Florida. He stated that in order to complete the Model Security Program a Security Management survey has to be conducted. Mr. Bradshaw stated that FSTED has contracted with SEASECURE as their lead Security Consultant for the deepwater Ports and the contract total amount is $222,000.00 a year. He stated each of the 14 Ports will be assessed a basic security fee of $10,000.00 which will provide for the Security Management survey and the Model Security Program. Mr. Bradshaw stated that the Port of Fort Pierce Management Survey is scheduled for May or June of 2002. He stated that FSTED is requiring that all Ports participate in this, therefore staff will be asking the Board of County Commission to fund an additional $10,000.00 from the Port budget for the Security Program. Mr. Bradshaw stated that staff has come to this Committee for their consideration and recommendation for this. Discussion ensued among the Committee members and staff. 3 Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee November 27, 2001 Page Four It was moved by Stix Nickson, seconded by Gail Kavanagh, to recommend that the County Commission support the FSTED Councils Port Security Plan and invest the $10,000.00 for the Security Program and that the County Commission go forward with it. The motion carried by voice vote. 7. OTHER BUSINESS It was decided by Committee members to cancel the December meeting and meet in January at the regularly scheduled date of January 22, 2002. Jeanne Hearn commented about the swift tide at the dock where the Amistad will be located and stated that a child could fall off the dock and that the County should consider putting up some type of rail to secure it. Chairman Johnson asked that this information be passed on to Doug Anderson. Chairman Johnson thanked the Committee for their support during her term as Chairman and stated that she is looking forward to working at the Commissioners pleasure 8. ADJOURNMENT Having no other business to discuss, it was moved by Gail Kavanagh, seconded by Stix Nickson, to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 4 :15p.m. Missy Stiadle Recording Secretary Fort Pierce Harbor Advisory Committee Members: Delores Hogan Johnson, Chairman Kevin Jackson, Vice Chairman Gail Kavanagh Jeanne Hearn Philip Steel Commissioner Mary Ann Bryan El Stix Nickson David Souza Board of County Commissioners Dan McIntyre, County Attorney Doug Anderson, County Administrator Robert Bradshaw, Asst. County Adm. Don West, County Engineer