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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes 03-26-2008 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT 1 rd Commission Chambers, 3 Floor, Roger Poitras Annex 2 March 26, 2008 at 9:30 A.M. 3 MINUTES 4 5 6 CALL TO ORDER 7 Chairman Ron Harris called the meeting to order at 9:30 A.M. 8 9 10 ROLL CALL 11 Ron Harris...................................Chairman 12 Bob Bangert.................................Vice Chairman 13 Diane Andrews............................Board Member 14 Buddy Emerson...........................Board Member 15 Richard Pancoast........................Board Member 16 17 18 OTHERS PRESENT 19 Peter Jones.................................Planning Manager 20 Katherine Mackenzie-Smith.........Assistant County Attorney 21 Veronica Torres ..........................Senior Staff Assistant 22 23 24 ANNOUNCEMENTS 25 None. 26 27 Agenda Item #1 – Minutes 28 29 Approval of the Minutes of Regular Meeting of February 27, 2008. 30 31 Mrs. Andrews motioned approval of the minutes; Mr. Pancoast seconded. 32 33 The motion carried unanimously. 34 35 The motion carried 5-0. 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 Page 1 of 11 PUBLIC HEARING Edenlawn Plantation 1 March 26, 2008 APP- 220081416 2 3 4 AGENDA ITEM #2 - Edenlawn Plantation APP-220081416 5 6 Mr. Peter Jones stated he is the Historical Preservation Officer and Planning Manager 7 in the Growth Management Department 8 9 The Board has before it an appeal of a decision that was rendered by the Growth 10 Management Director with respect to the demolition of structures on a site known as 11 Edenlawn Plantation. He wanted to give background because needless to say this is 12 the first time he has come before the Board of Adjustment and he thought it is the first 13 time for a number of Board members in terms of this type of appeal. 14 15 The Comprehensive Plan provides for both the preservation and the consideration of 16 historic structures throughout the County as a resource. In the Future Land Use 17 Section of the Comprehensive Plan there is a Section of both background information 18 and policies with respect to historic preservation. It speaks to the idea of the protection 19 of historic resources and is important to both preserving the heritage of an area and 20 providing guidance for the future development of a community. 21 22 Many of the identified historic resources in the County are archaeological in nature, 23 unique hammock habitat, Indian mound areas and undersea wreck sites. Structural 24 th facilities are few and are typical of the early 20 Century Florida Cracker style of 25 architecture. It goes onto describe a little bit more in terms of what historical resources 26 the County has had. It goes onto discuss policies with respect to the saving or being 27 . aware or cognizantof our historical resources 28 29 We also have an Ordinance that established a Historical Commission, the duties and 30 powers of that Historical Commission. In our Land Development Code there is a 31 process by which a survey was done he believed in 2001 or there about that and was 32 part of the creation of the current Historical Ordinances that are on the books now. 33 34 The purpose of this was to identify structures that were primarily 50 years and older, this 35 is part of documentation or a databank that the State has called the Florida Master Site 36 File. Basically, that is a way of documenting, listing structures that are 50 years and 37 older. The form and paperwork require specific information to be filled in, a little 38 background, some notations about the historical nature itself, and some commentary. 39 40 Our Land Development Code provides that any structures in our County that are listed 41 on the Florida Master Site File, if any kind of work is to be done on those structures 42 whether it is a request for demolition, a re-roofing, an addition to any of those structures 43 come before the Historical Commission of St. Lucie County for review and discussion. 44 The commission then makes a recommendation to the Growth Management Director 45 Page 2 of 11 who then renders a directive, an approval or other recommendations of that particular 1 application. 2 3 He began working for the County in June 2007, and Mr. West has been working with the 4 County since July 2005 on this. Mr. West has been a good applicant, an interested one 5 in the concerns for the property that he has. Interest in the historical nature of it as 6 demonstrated in the initial presentation report made back in July 2005. 7 8 In that presentation he spoke of the history of Edenlawn Plantation that this was 9 originally developed as a pineapple plantation in 1887 by William Merwin an oysterman 10 from Milford, Connecticut. The main house was built in Orange City, Florida and barged 11 to the present site in the 1890s. It was reinvented as a nursery and a fernery after 12 World War II. After World War II Duke Merwin started converting farm buildings and 13 built new cottages on the property. 14 15 The Edenlawn Plantation restaurant opened in 1953, Duke Merwin passed away in 16 1991 leaving the property to Mr. David Childs. Mr. West goes onto say what is really 17 historic about Edenlawn Plantation is the oak trees, and parts of the Plantation House 18 which is what will be discussed before the Board. He mentions the chicken coop and 19 the many different uses of the property and its resulting ambiance. 20 21 To Mr. West’s credit he has been true to the belief in the balance of the nature of the 22 history of Edenlawn Plantation as a place. He has lived for the last 18 years in Indian 23 River County so he was not familiar with Edenlawn Plantation, he is not familiar with it 24 as a restaurant or a destination, a resort; it is like a bohemian little community. As he 25 understands it, many people here have had weddings, receptions or eaten at the 26 restaurant. It has had an interesting history in terms of a place. 27 28 Mr. West made presentations to the Historical Commission in January 2006, March 29 2007, April 2007, June 2007, July 2007, August 2007 and so on. There has been a lot 30 of discourse back and forth between the Historical Commission and Mr. West in many 31 ways, shapes and forms. A lot of it sometimes a bit complicated because of the nature 32 of both the Historical Commission wrestling with what he thinks their charge aught to be 33 and what their view and beliefs in terms of historical aspect of Edenlawn Plantation. 34 35 Mr. West has concerns for and interest in maintaining some historical sense of 36 Edenlawn Plantation yet also having the ability to move forward with a development of a 37 project that will be in some senses residential in nature and have other types which Mr. 38 West will address. Basically to be able to work with the property in both a historical 39 content as well develop what he wants to do. 40 41 In May 2007 he made application for a local historical designation of the site of 42 Edenlawn Plantation as well as an application for changes to historical structures which 43 were to specifically demolish many of the old buildings on the site. Following that and 44 he was going to read from his Memorandum to Mark Satterlee, Director of Growth 45 Page 3 of 11 Management dated December 20, 2007 following what seemed like massive amounts 1 of meetings and discussions regarding this: 2 3 4 During its meeting of August 20, 2007, the Historic Commission considered the request of Mr. 5 Jeff West, the Applicant, to demolish certain existing structures on the property known as 6 Edenlawn Plantation. Mr. West has been actively pursuing this request since 2006 (but he was 7 off by a year because it goes back as far as 2005) and given both the historical and cultural 8 value of the Edenlawn Plantation site, the Commission has certainly been cautious in its 9 deliberations. 10 11 The site has twenty one structures currently listed with the Florida Master Site File database. 12 One is a residential structure that was brought to the site, by barge, via the Indian River Lagoon, 13 in the late 1800’s and subsequently modified and added on to over the years. According to a 14 historic survey (which the Board had a copy of), completed by Historic Property Associates, Inc., 15 of St. Augustine and provided by Mr. West, the ‘Edenlawn Plantation House’ as it was known 16 was relocated from Orange City in Volusia County during the 1890’s and attached to an existing 17 cabin. 18 19 The site was originally known as Ocean View Plantation and as with many properties along 20 Indian River Drive; the 9-acre site was used for pineapple production. 21 22 Mr. West has explained to the Commission that he plans to develop the Edenlawn property in 23 what is sometimes called ‘Old Florida’ vernacular, in consideration of the history and character 24 of Edenlawn. 25 26 The Historical Commission, at its August 20, 2007 meeting (the Board has a copy of the 27 Minutes of that meeting), voted to recommend approval of the request to demolish portions of 28 the original ‘Plantation House’, completely demolish the structure known as ‘Uncle Harvey’s 29 House’ and to demolish the structure known as ‘Bonnie’s House’, subject to conditions as noted 30 in the meeting minutes. The Commission went on in a following meeting to reconsider all of 31 that and there was a lot of dialogue needless to say and discussion with respect to that. 32 33 In the last paragraph of the memorandum and it was his recommendation to Mark Satterlee, the 34 Growth Management Director and thus his directive to Mr. West: “Having reviewed the facts, the 35 historical survey provided by Mr. West and the actions taken to date, as Historic Preservation 36 Officer I recommend that Mr. West be allowed to demolish the three structures according to the 37 recommendations made by the Historical Commission at its meeting of August 20, 2007, per the 38 requirements of Chapter 4, Section 4.11.01 Changes to Historic Structures or Sites.” 39 40 The letter of December 20, 2007 to Mr. West was basically to review that he be allowed 41 demolition of structures known as “Bonnie’s House and Uncle Harvey’s House” is approved. 42 The demolition structures attached to and part of the ‘Plantation House’ is approved, with the 43 exception of the original 2-story structure that was moved to the site and the structure known as 44 the ‘Caretaker’s Cottage’. 45 46 Again, he wanted to go back to the fact that that recommendation on his part to the Growth 47 Management Director was based upon all of the conversations and discussions recognizing that 48 the historic survey states that none of the structures would be eligible for National or State 49 Historic Registration because so many changes and the modifications that have been made to 50 the house. However, in light of the area historic value it was in his estimation and based on all Page 4 of 11 1 the data and the facts that this was the best course of action both in terms of the sense of what looks at and also the recommendations of the Historical 2 the Comprehensive Plan Commission. He showed pictures of Edenlawn Plantation. 3 4 Mrs. Andrews stated that she had disclosure to make that she is currently working very 5 closely with Mr. Jones on another committee. 6 7 PUBLIC COMMENT 8 9 Mr. Raynes stated he was before the Board on behalf of Mr. West and Edenlawn 10 Plantation regarding his appeal of the letter from Mr. Satterlee that authorized the 11 demolition of all the structures except the ones Mr. Jones stated in his presentation. 12 13 He wanted to clarify that they understood and respect the Historical Commission, Mr. 14 Satterlee and Mr. Jones. He has worked with Mr. Jones on a number of other matters 15 and he believes he is one of the most qualified employees we have here and one that 16 he has the utmost respect for. In this instance he has to respectfully disagree with him, 17 the Historical Commission and Mr. Satterlee’s finding. 18 19 The reason for his disagreement is that he hasn’t really seen any evidence or basis for 20 their decision other than as he has mentioned the historic kind of nature of the property. 21 He believed that was more of an emotional attachment to the decision and he does 22 respect that. No one knows that better than Mr. West and that is one of the reasons he 23 purchased the property. When the development that he is proposing recognizes that 24 and Mr. West will talk about that if he would like. 25 26 He wanted to talk to the Board about the factual evidence as to why they should be 27 allowed to go ahead and demolish these buildings. Mr. West as Mr. Jones mentioned 28 actually volunteered to try to get this property on the Historical Register. As part of that 29 he was required to provide a historical survey of the property. He had Mr. Paul L. 30 Weaver of the Historic Property Associations, Inc provide such a survey to try to get this 31 property on the National Historical Registry. He believed the Board had a copy of that 32 and he wanted to turn their attention to Page 3 under the introduction. 33 34 Mr. Weaver states, “An operative word throughout this report, as it applies to building, 35 structures and sites (or historic resources, as defined in Chapter 267, Florida Statues), 36 is “significant.” As used in this report, “significant” implies eligibility of a resource for 37 inclusion in the National Register of Historic Places or local designation. It is precisely 38 those resources which must be identified to meet federal, state and local requirements 39 for studies of this kind.” 40 41 The Edenlawn Plantation building complex appears ineligible for the National Register 42 of Historic Places or local historic designation using standard criteria. While it had clear 43 historical and architectural significance, the physical integrity of the complex has been 44 severely compromised by non-historic features and additions. The building stock in the 45 complex is in deteriorated to fair condition and several buildings are in ruinous 46 condition. The complex was extensively remodeled in the mid-1950s and1990s, when 47 Page 5 of 11 uses andownership changed. An opinion from the Bureau of Historic Preservation, 1 Florida Department of State supports this position. The renovation of Edenlawn 2 Plantation, in terms of money and further damage to the scant historic integrity of the 3 complex, is prohibitive. All buildings are constructed of wood and many have suffered 4 deterioration in the harsh climate adjacent the Indian River. Mildew, mold, wood rot and 5 termite damage are obvious problems. Many buildings have been further damaged by 6 hurricanes during 2004 and 2005. Rental cottages are functionally obsolete and cannot 7 be made handicap accessible without further compromising their historic integrity.” 8 9 In conclusion, it appears the buildings at 13435 South Indian River Drive have no 10 historical or architectural significance. While apparently more than fifty yearsold, the 11 buildings do no embody a significant architectural style or materials. While once a part 12 of the Edenlawn Plantation property, they post-date the significant period of 13 development of the property. They appear not to be eligible either individually or 14 collectively for listing in the National Register of Historic Places or for local designation 15 using standard professional criteria. 16 17 He would just point out that whenMr. Harvey was commissioned to do this he would 18 actually benefit by finding that these were of historical significance because he would 19 have continued trying to get them on the Historical Register and would have been a 20 consultant to try to restore these buildings in the appropriate manner. 21 22 The Board had in the packet a letter from the Florida Department of State, Division of 23 Historical Resources it was addressed to Mr. Weaver, “based on the information 24 available to us, the property does not appear to meet the criteria for eligibility 25 established by the National Register of Historic Places. We do not fee that this property 26 should be considered for nomination for listing at this time. 27 28 The present building no longer reflects its c. 1890 appearance. Since the 1950s the 29 house has been substantially altered and no longer resembles the small two-story 30 th house and one-story cabin that stood on the site at the end of the 19 century. These 31 changes are too recent and too sever for the property to be considered for listing in the 32 National Register. 33 34 As he was reading through this report it reminded him of when he was a young boy, his 35 grandfather handed him an axe and said, “Be careful with that because this axe has 36 been in this family for over 40 years. He said he replaced the handle three times and 37 the head twice but that is the same axe we have had for 40 years.” 38 39 He thinks that is where we are with this historical building. It has been altered and 40 replaced; they have provided evidence from an expert, Mr. Harvey and the letter that 41 was provided from the Florida Department of State. Unfortunately, what Mr. Jones and 42 the Historical Commission did was more of an emotional decision and they certainly 43 recognize that. Mr. West recognizes that and is certainly going to do what he can with 44 respect to the property as he develops it to recognize that history in Florida but just 45 because the building is 50 years doesn’t mean that it is historic. 46 Page 6 of 11 As Mr. Jones correctly stated you list all the buildings that are 50 years old and then you 1 go through this process. That does not mean they are historic that just means that 2 these are buildings that you need to take a closer look at prior to doing any work or 3 demolition of them. Mr. West through his actions over the last two years has shown that 4 he has gone through those hoops and made an effort to do that. It just doesn’t make 5 sense not to demolish these buildings. 6 7 They are asking the Board to approve the petition of Mr. West and the Edenlawn 8 Plantation appealing the Growth Management Director’s prohibition of the demolition of 9 the original two-story structure that is known as the ‘Plantation House’ and the structure 10 known as the ‘Caretaker’s Cottage’ because it has been shown that they do not have 11 any historical architectural significance. He believes that they have supplied some 12 factual evidence and again he would say that the Historical Commission has been more 13 of a gut reaction. Again, he doesn’t for one second question their integrity or their noble 14 attempt of what they are trying to do. It is just he believes a mistake in their trying to 15 preserve this particular structure. 16 17 Mr. Jeff West, the owner of Edenlawn Plantation stated they would not be here having 18 this conversation if that building was still on the property, it isn’t. The core of the old 19 house which was moved to Edenlawn in the 1890’s is the portion behind the oak tree 20 with the front porch; that was moved here in the 1890s. The core of the old house after 21 it was moved here several other pieces were attached to it there is a shed in the back. 22 The pictures that were shown were taken sometime in the 30’s or early 40s. You can 23 barely make out four different pieces of the house. 24 25 The core part is the portion on the right with the front porch. To that is attached a 26 breezeway that in turn connects to an old pineapple packing shed that was moved from 27 the back of the property to be attached to the old house. Behind the breezeway you 28 can barely make out a shed that was attached. The picture that was being shown is 29 dated 1952, you can see that they wrapped the porch around and apparently expanded 30 the breezeway that connected the Caretaker’s shed and it appears that they changed 31 the side of the Caretaker’s shed to open up a new door or French doors or something 32 like that. 33 34 The next picture that was shown is what the front of the house looked like in 1991when 35 David and Patty Childs added on a major addition. Actually you can just barely see the 36 corner of the core of the old house that is all of the old house that really remains. In 37 another picture you can see the tall porch columns, and that is what they did in the 70s 38 to the porch of the old original house, they raised the roof. All of the major portions of 39 the structures that you see there are from the new addition in 1991 and 1992. 40 41 When he bought the house he went to Historic Property Associates and asked them if 42 they could help him get the old house in the National Register because Edenlawn was 43 important and it would be worth trying to see if they could salvage anything from what 44 was there. The HistoricProperty Associates made the application, did all the research 45 and sent it up to Tallahassee and Tallahassee said in the letter which the Board had a 46 Page 7 of 11 copy of, “No the building has been changed too much and doesn’t resemble what the 1 original building was and therefore can’t put it in the State Register and it is not eligible 2 for a National Register.” 3 4 He was even foolish enough to ask the State what if he restored the old house or 5 attempted to restore it to what it was in the 1950s or earlier. They said that would be 6 wonderful and they would be happy to consider it for inclusion in the register in 50 7 years, because those are their rules. 8 9 He has been trying to get the Historical Commission for 2 ½ years to understand that 10 there is nothing really historically significant in what is left of the core of the old house 11 because of all of the changes that have been made to it over the years. There is no 12 way to peel back the layers of the onion and put the old house back together again. 13 14 When David and Patty Childs build this addition they took the ‘Caretaker’s Cottage’ and 15 they moved it around to the back of the house, it is no longer attached. There is nothing 16 there of what was historic. What he wants to do is rebuild Edenlawn in a way that Duke 17 Merwin and his grandfather and great-grandfather would be proud of. He wants to do it 18 in the old Florida style but he does not want to have to keep some portion of an old 19 building that no longer represents anything historic. That is the reason for his appeal. 20 21 Mr. Raynes stated they would be glad to answer any questions the Board may have. 22 He believes they have given substantial evidence with respect to their case and has yet 23 to hear anything from the county other than it was on their list when we looked at it and 24 they really think it is a neat place and something they would like to preserve. 25 26 He believes the evidence is to the contrary, so they would just ask that the Board 27 respectfully approve their appeal and let them demolish the remaining building and Mr. 28 West can get on and do something that he feels will be an asset to the community and 29 recognize the Edenlawn tradition. 30 31 Mr. Bangert said he had a question for Mr. Jones. Evidentially in your decision, Mr. 32 Jones the Growth Management Department doesn’t believe in anything that the 33 Historical Department has said. It doesn’t matter that this property has been changed to 34 the point that it is no longer eligible to be on the National Register. 35 36 Mr. Jones stated that he respects both the letter and its content; it is with respect to the 37 Historic Register. Their interest isn’t whether this is worthy of the Historic Register. 38 There are plenty of structures by which will have been reviewed and will continue to 39 review that won’t have anything to do with eligibility for historic register, it would meet 40 the criteria but have everything to do with the intent and content of the Comprehensive 41 Plan. The protection of historic resources is important for both preserving the heritage 42 of an area and providing guidance for the future development of a community and then 43 down in the last sentence in this particular section it mentions “and by encouraging the 44 adaptive reuse of historic structures.” He does agree that this is not a structure that 45 was going to meet the NationalRegister or the State Register for all of the reasonsof 46 Page 8 of 11 the content this letter states. He believes for the Historical Commission it was the intent 1 of the Comp Plan he knows for a fact that the members are very heartfelt, and their 2 emotional belief of the need for historic preservation. It was the combination of a lot of 3 those things. 4 5 Mr. Bangert stated that he can understand that to a point, when the building has been 6 comprised with so many non-historic features and changed the physical integrity of the 7 building so intensely it no longer appears to be representative of some building at that 8 prior time. 9 10 Mrs. Andrews commented that she was going to basically ask the same thing that Mr. 11 Bangert did on whether Mr. Jones felt that the October 2005 letter from the Division of 12 Historical Resources trumped or whether the Comp Plan trumped this letter. 13 14 Mr. Harris commented that they are two different issues. 15 16 Mr. Pancoast said he was wrestling with this because we look at the situation like the 17 house downtown and we know there are things we want to save but he does not believe 18 it is right to put the expenses of saving some of these buildings on the property owners. 19 It seems somewhere along the line if a community decides a property is worthy of being 20 saved then somehow the community through a donations should help. 21 22 It is nice to have these laws and say okay you have to do this but we are not like 23 downtown Boston or downtown Savannah where there are dozens of really historically 24 significant buildings together. When they get into this kind of condition he doesn’t know 25 what the value is if you save it. He certainly doesn’t think it is right to put the cost on Mr. 26 West unless he decided he really wanted to save the center of this building. They could 27 tear it down carefully and save it if he doesn’t mind spending that money. 28 29 He has been here since 1968 and he has been on that property one time and he only 30 went in there because he had never been there and heard about it. He is not sure there 31 are very many people who have ever seen those buildings in this County. He really 32 feels it is unfair to say to Mr. West that you have to save these buildings; especially 33 when you read the condition. On the other hand he sees what Mr. Jones is working 34 with; we have put some rules in place and they are trying to follow those. Again that is 35 why this Board is here and why that job has been put on the Board, to look at these 36 things. 37 38 Mr. Emerson stated he did not have any questions only personal opinions. 39 40 Mr. Harris stated staff was just doing their job, he thinks all they did was mimic what the 41 Historical Commission wanted. They are almost bound to do that because they support 42 the Historical Commission. There is some history with that site; the Merwin family is 43 referenced in the book, “Memories of Eden.” He has to agree with the other Board 44 members it has been altered too much and the financial burden to bring it back would 45 probably be overwhelming. He did not think it would support what little gain we would 46 Page 9 of 11 get. Mr. West probably doesn’t want to wait 50 more years. He was sure Mr. West 1 would like to have it on the National Register; it would be a drawing point for the site 2 that he plans to develop. 3 4 Hearing no further comments in favor or in opposition to the petition, Chairman 5 Harris closed the public portion of the meeting. 6 7 Mr. Bangert motioned approval; Mr. Emerson seconded. 8 After considering the testimony presented during the Public Hearing, including staff 9 comments, and the Standards of Review as set forth in Section 10.01.02 of the St. 10 Lucie County Land Development Code, move that the Board of Adjustment approve the 11 Jeff West Petition of Appealing the Director of Growth Management’s prohibition of the 12 demolition of the original two-story structure that was moved to the site known as 13 ‘Edenlawn Plantation’ and the structure known as the ‘Caretaker’s Cottage’, because 14 the property has been severely compromised by non-historic features and additions. 15 The buildings are in a deteriorated state, plus it has already been cited they are not 16 eligible to be listed in the National Register as a Historic Spot. 17 18 Mr. Emerson seconded per discussion. He wanted to talk about things outside the 19 County’s jurisdiction for a second because it is easier. He grew up here and when he 20 thinks of historic structures and he can name a few, the old Coast Guard Station looks 21 just like it did the day he first saw it. The Arcade Building even though a portion of it is 22 gone it looks like he remembers it when he drove by with his parents when he was a 23 child. The old St. Anastasia School House even though it is in a dilapidated condition 24 now looks very much like it did when it was built. 25 26 If this looked very much like it did the day it was built he would support staff but it 27 doesn’t. That does not mean that it doesn’t have significance for County purposes, we 28 just tore down a 30 year old fire station in St. Lucie County the first one that he can 29 recall we have ever torn down. It was the first one that he worked at. Station 6 on 30 Midway Road. It had significance and the district could not let that significance just fade 31 by tearing down the building. The bricks that were part of the façade from the original 32 building were incorporated into the architectural elements of the new building. A portion 33 of that building remains to this day. 34 35 He would hope that even though this looks like it is going to pass that Mr. West as the 36 owner considers taking portions or pieces and incorporating them into whatever you do 37 that is new so you can preserve parts of history in St. Lucie County; even if it is just 38 saying that window or door or that piece of wood came from the original structure. 39 40 Mr. Pancoast commented that Mr. Emerson’s comments are fine and he agrees with 41 what was said. He thinks somebody somewhere is going to look at the decision this 42 Board made and they may want to apply some precedent to what they did. The more 43 information we have in the decision and why we came to that decision and how the 44 Board felt about that decision is a good thing. 45 46 Page 10 of 11 Mr. Bangert commented that he thought that Mr. West has already stated that in the 1 future he plans to do exactly what was said. 2 3 Mrs. Andrews commented that she totally agreed with Chief Emerson and Mr. 4 Pancoast remarks very well thought out. 5 6 The motion carried unanimously. 7 8 Meeting Adjourned 10:15. Next meeting April 23, 2008. 9 10 11 Page 11 of 11