HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes 03-20-2008
1 St. Lucie County
2 Planning and Zoning Commission/Local Planning Agency
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3 Commission Chambers, 3 Floor, Roger Poitras Annex
4 March 20, 2008 Regular Meeting
5 6:00 P.M.
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A compact disc recording of this meeting, in its entirety, has been placed in the file along with these
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minutes as part of the record. In the event of a conflict between the written minutes and the compact disc,
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the compact disc shall control.
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I. CALL TO ORDER
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13 Chairman Caron called the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m.
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A. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
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B. ROLL CALL
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19 Susan Caron..........................Chairman
20 Vice Chairman Mundt...........Board Member
21 Brad Culverhouse..................Board Member
22 Edward Lounds.....................Board Member
23 Stephanie Morgan.................Board Member
24 Barry Schrader......................Board Member
25 Consuela Smith.....................Board Member
26 Kathryn Hensley...................Ex-Officio
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MEMBERS ABSENT
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30 Pamela Hammer....................Board Member
31 Britt Reynolds.......................Board Member
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33 Ms. Caron noted, for the record, that she would like Mr. Reynolds’
34 absence be excused as he requested at the February 21, 2008 meeting and
35 that Ms. Hammer’s absence be excused as she requested in writing on
36 March 20, 2008 due to an illness.
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38 Mr. Lounds and Ms. Smith advised that they will not be able to attend the
39 April meeting.
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OTHERS PRESENT
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43 Robin Meyer.........................Assistant Growth Management Dept. Director
44 Heather Young......................Assistant County Attorney
45 Laurie Case...........................Utility Department Director
46 Peter Jones............................Planning Manager
47 Kara Wood ...........................Planning Manager
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C. ANNOUNCEMENTS
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3 Ms. Caron advised that she received a request from staff that item 3.C on
4 tonight’s agenda, Indrio Groves, LLC, be continued. Staff confirmed that
5 the item will not be readvertised and that it should be continued to the
6 April 17, 2008 meeting.
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8 Chairman Caron opened the public hearing; no one from the public spoke
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Mr. Culverhouse motioned to continue Indrio Groves, LLC: TVC 06-
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019 to the April 17, 2008 meeting of the Planning and Zoning
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Commission at 6pm or as soon thereafter as the matter can be heard.
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Mr. Schrader seconded and the motion carried unanimously.
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D. DISCLOSURES
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18 Mr. Mundt advised that he received a phone call from a resident
19 expressing their concern with the volume of materials being considered
20 with reference to the Comprehensive Plan.
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II. MINUTES
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23 Review the minutes from the February 21, 2008 regular meeting, for approval.
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25 Ms. Young advised board members of minor corrections Ms. Hammer would like
26 made to the minutes; as well as adding comments she made with regards to the
27 election of Vice Chairman and that she would like her motion with regards to the
28 CARP application be verbatim. Staff advised that the secretary will go back and
29 make those corrections.
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31 Ms. Smith expressed her displeasure that many of the comments she made were
32 not included in the minutes. Ms. Smith requested that comments she made during
33 the CARP proceedings be included with reference to the number of such facilities
34 in Ft. Pierce; as well as the question, and staff’s answer, Mr. Culverhouse raised
35 with reference to the statute addressing removal of a volunteer board member
36 pertaining to the Election of Vice Chairman.
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38 Ms. Culverhouse agreed and feels the minutes do not accurately reflect the
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41 Ms. Morgan suggested that since these minutes are in draft form, minor
42 corrections with regards to spelling and grammar should be made to staff behind
43 the scenes instead of wasting meeting time going through the draft line by line.
44 Ms. Morgan, agreed, however, that if the changes and/or corrections are of
45 substance (i.e., a motion, etc) they should be discussed at the meeting.
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Mr. Lounds motioned to approve the minutes with the corrections discussed
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tonight.
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Mr. Culverhouse seconded and the motion carried unanimously.
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III. PUBLIC HEARINGS
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A. St. Lucie County Utilities Department: Ordinance No. 08-031
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9 Petition of St. Lucie County Utilities Department for Ordinance No. 08-
10 031 to adopt the 10-Year Water Supply Facilities Work Plan which
11 includes revision/updates of the County’s Comprehensive Plan Sub-
12 Elements; Potable Water & Sanitary Sewer plus some sections of the
13 Conservation, Capital Improvements, and Future Land Use Elements.
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15 Peter Jones addressed the Board and explained that the following two
16 agenda items (Utilities Department and Public Schools Facility) has come
17 about due to legislative action taken last year to Chapter 163 and Chapter
18 273 of the Florida Statutes with regards to comprehensive planning to help
19 St. Lucie County further meet concurrency issues and manage growth.
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21 Laurie Case, Director of St. Lucie County Utilities, addressed the Board
22 saying that this 10-Year Water Supply Facilities Work Plan and
23 Comprehensive Plan Update has been a cooperative effort between the
24 Utilities Department, the Growth Management Department and the
25 consultant. Ms. Case then introduced the consultant.
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27 Jill Grimaldi, with CDM, displayed a Power Point Presentation and
28 explained that St. Lucie County is required to coordinate preparation of a
29 work plan with the South Florida Water Management District especially to
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32 Ms. Grimaldi went on to explain that contained in the Water Supply
33 Facilities Plan are St. Lucie County Utilities, Spanish Lakes, Harbour
34 Ridge and Panther Woods. The plan does not include any public and/or
35 privately-owned facilities under the City of Pt. St. Lucie, St Lucie West
36 and Ft. Pierce Utility Authority.
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38 Ms. Grimaldi went on to explain the assessment of the facilities contained
39 in the Plan, including The Holiday Pines Water Treatment Plant, Ft. Pierce
40 Utilities Authority Bulk User Agreement and the H.E.W. Water Treatment
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43 A regional water and wastewater treatment plant is currently proposed for
44 construction in approximately 2010 in the north county region. It will be
45 located northwest of the airport along Taylor Dairy Road. This facility
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1 will provide for the demand at the current H.E.W. water treatment plant
2 which will be decommissioned once this proposed facility is opened.
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4 In addition, a northwest water treatment plant may be required at the
5 proposed Cloud Grove development, as well as those serviced under the
6 Bulk User Agreement with Ft. Pierce Utilities Authority, which is
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9 Provisions have been made for a water treatment plant to service the
10 central and south service areas; however, no date has been identified with
11 regards to the need for these facilities. It will be driven by development in
12 order to address demands from new developments in those areas.
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14 Ms. Grimaldi went on to explain that water conservation measures used by
15 St. Lucie County are included in the Plan.
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17 Population projections are received from the Bureau of Economic and
18 Business Research from the University of Florida and are used to project
19 future demand.
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21 There were questions and discussions among Board members, Ms.
22 Grimaldi and Ms. Case.
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24 The question of funding was brought up by Mr. Culverhouse with Ms.
25 Case explaining that funding would be provided through the Utilities’
26 Department enterprise fund with developers paying their fair share. South
27 Florida Water Management District has ear-marked $1M in grant funds
28 for the construction of the north county water plant.
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Ms. Morgan excused herself at approximately 7:30 p.m. and left the
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meeting.
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33 Ms. Smith questioned residents how fire protection is provided to those
34 residents who are on well and septic tanks. Ms. Case and Ms. Grimaldi
35 explained that fire protection would be provided as required if a resident is
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38 Questions and answers continued.
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40 Ms. Smith suggested that the Utilities Department reach out to the
41 residents and teach ways to care for their septic tank, ways to conserve
42 water, etc.
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44 Ms. Caron opened the public hearing.
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46 The following members of the public spoke:
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2 Jonathon Ferguson, Esq., with Ruden McClosky, spoke briefly and stated
3 he disagrees with the population numbers contained in the report. He feels
4 they are “suspect” and the only way the numbers can be true would take
5 moving the urban services boundary line.
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7 Dennis Murphy, with Culpepper & Terpening, spoke briefly and stated his
8 concern is that the 10-Year Water Supply Plan, aside from identifying if
9 you can draw enough water to accommodate your community, is if and
10 how it can be paid for. The issue of how the County will pay for it and
11 what the costs would be seem to be missing in the report.
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13 No one else spoke from the public spoke and the public hearing was
14 closed.
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Mr. Lounds motioned that the Planning and Zoning Commission
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recommend that the Board of County Commissioner approve
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Ordinance No. 08-013 because it is better to be planned for the future
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and to be in compliance with the DCA
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Mr. Culverhouse seconded.
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Mr. Lounds went on to add that he feels staff should be ready, when
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this item goes before the Board of County Commissioners, to address
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the issues brought up by Mr. Ferguson and Mr. Murphy.
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Mr. Culverhouse was in agreement.
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29 Roll Call
30 Ms. Smith – yes
31 Mr. Schrader – no
32 Vice Chairman Mundt – yes
33 Mr. Culverhouse – yes
34 Mr. Lounds – yes
35 Chairman Caron – yes
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The motion carried 5 -1 with Mr. Schrader dissenting.
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39 The Board took a break at 8:12 p.m. and reconvened at 8:24 p.m.
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B. St. Lucie County Public School Facility: PA – 120081393
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42 Petition of St. Lucie County to adopt the Public School Facility Element
43 as part of the St. Lucie County Comprehensive Plan to provide for public
44 school concurrency and planning.
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1 Marty Sanders, Executive Directors of Growth Management, Land
2 Acquisition and Intergovernmental Relations with the St. Lucie County
3 School District, introduced the item and spoke briefly.
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5 Mr. Sanders introduced Gene Boles with the University of Florida,
6 consultant working with the School District on the Public School Facility
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9 Mr. Boles displayed a Power Point Presentation and explained that staff is
10 requesting that this Board forward a recommendation to the Board of
11 County Commissioners that they approve transmitting this item to DCA.
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13 Mr. Lounds questioned whether the funds discussed on Table 17 (at page
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15 Mr. Boles confirmed that they are School District funds and not Board of
16 County Commissioner funds. Responsibility for funding will not be
17 moving to the local government. Mr. Boles went on to add that that
18 language is provided in the Public School Facility Element.
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20 Mr. Culverhouse questioned if the School District can meet the projected
21 level of service. Mr. Boles confirmed that yes the School District can
22 meet the projected level of service. The first five years are committed
23 projections.
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25 Mr. Culverhouse questioned whether or not the School District is having
26 trouble finding school site locations within the Urban Service Boundary.
27 Mr. Sanders responded that historically they have had trouble finding
28 school sites; however, this element will require developers to work with
29 the School District with regards to proposed school sites.
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31 Ms. Smith expressed her displeasure that there does not seem to be any
32 schools planned for the north County area. Ms. Smith went on to explain
33 that she feels that can have a negative effect to a community/area. She
34 feels it will be seen as an “unstable community” that won’t attract
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37 Ms. Hensley, Mr. Sanders and Ms. Caron explained that the School
38 District “does not drive development.” The School District plans and
39 “reacts to development.” There are Developments of Regional Impact
40 already approved in the south County area. There are currently no
41 approved projects in the north County area. Since this element is
42 reviewed each year, that can change. But the School District needs to plan
43 for the information they know now.
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45 Discussions and questions continued among Board members, Mr. Sanders
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2 Chairman Caron opened the public hearing.
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4 The following members of the public spoke:
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6 Jonathon Ferguson, Esq., with Ruden McClosky, spoke and suggested that
7 the concurrency portion within this Element be “carved out” and be
8 evaluated and adopted and then the County can discuss and evaluate the
9 other issues (school siting, etc.) at a later date.
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11 Dennis Murphy, with Culpepper and Terpening, spoke stating that he feels
12 Comprehensive Plan Amendments are meant to be flexible and that the
13 educational element should be the most flexible. It should be clearly
14 stated within the document that the document will be reviewed annually
15 and the information contained therein may change annually.
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17 No one else from the public spoke and the public hearing was closed.
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19 Mr. Culverhouse advised that he drafted a proposed amendment
20 comparing policy 1.1.17.3 with PSFE 3.4.1 and also 1.1.17.4 and
21 requested that staff review in order to determine if it would be appropriate
22 to be included in order to “harmonize” the conflicts with the TVC
23 Ordinance. Mr. Culverhouse also requested that staff consider amending
24 Section 3.4.1(k) of the Goals, Objectives and Policies as follows:
25 “Adverse impacts on archaeological or historic sites or structures listed on
26 the National Register of Historic Places or designated by the affected local
27 government as a locally significant historic or archaeological resource or
28 listed on the Florida Master Site File or archaeological sites located within
29 an archaeological designated zone.”
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31 Discussions among Board members, Mr. Boles, Mr. Sanders and staff
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34 Mr. Lounds suggested that the Board only deal with the concurrency
35 portion and bring back the remainder at a later date.
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37 Ms. Hensley responded by saying that since this document is reviewed by
38 many eyes and done so annually; they are confident it should be passed in
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41 Staff agreed that they are confident they can “make it work” and are ready
42 for this Board to recommend approval of this document especially since it
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45 Mr. Culverhouse handed to the Chair his proposed amendment in order
46 that it becomes part of the record.
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Mr. Lounds motioned that the Planning and Zoning Commission
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forward a recommendation that the Board of County Commissioners
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approve Ordinance 08-014 providing for Public School Concurrency
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and Planning with the recommended provision that Growth
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Management meet with the School Board on their annual review, that
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any inconsistencies within the charts be resolved, Mr. Culverhouse’s
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proposed changes meant to rectify the inconsistencies of the policy be
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rectified prior to going before the Board of County Commissioners
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and also Mr. Culverhouse’s suggested change with regards to historic
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sites be evaluated by staff.
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Mr. Culverhouse seconded.
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15 Roll Call
16 Ms. Smith – yes
17 Mr. Schrader – yes
18 Vice Chairman Mundt – yes
19 Mr. Culverhouse – yes
20 Mr. Lounds – yes
21 Chairman Caron – yes
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The motion carried unanimously
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OTHER BUSINESS
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27 Ms. Young read into the record, Form 8B, Memorandum of Voting Conflict for
28 County, Municipal, and Other Local Public Officers, which was completed by
29 Ms. Caron with regards to the Comprehensive Alcoholism Rehabilitation
30 Program, Inc. rezoning application and Comprehensive Alcoholism Rehabilitation
31 Program, Inc. conditional use permit application which appeared on the February
32 21, 2008 agenda of the Planning and Zoning Commission.
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34 The form was completed and signed by Ms. Caron on February 26, 2008. Copies
35 were distributed to the Growth Management Department, Planning & Zoning
36 Commission Board members and has been made part of the record.
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38 There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 11:20 p.m.
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