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St. Lucie County
Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes
REGULAR MEETING
March 21, 2002
Commission Chambers, 3rd Floor, Roger Poitras Annex
7:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Mr. Grande, Mr. McCurdy, Mr. Lounds, Mr. Trias, Mr. Jones, Mr. Akins, Mr. Matthes.
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Mr. Merritt and Mr. Hearn (Absent - With Notice)
OTHERS PRESENT:
Mr. David Kelly, Planning Manager; Ms. Cyndi Snay, Planner III; Ms. Heather Young, Asst. Co.
Attorney; Ms. Dawn Gilmore, Administrative Secretary.
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CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Matthes called to order the meeting of the St. Lucie County Planning and Zoning
Commission at 7:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Chairman Matthes advised that on Agenda Item # 2, File No. RZ-02-003, he had a conflict of
interest and therefore would recuse himself from that item.
meeting. For those of you who have not been here before, The Planning and Zoning Commission
is an agency that makes recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners. The Staff will
present a brief summary of the project and then make their recommendation. After which time,
the Petitioner will be asked to come forward and state his/her case for the requested petition. At
any time the Commission may stop and ask questions of the Petitioner or Staff. After that process
is completed the Chairman will open the public hearing for anyone who wishes to speak for or
against the petition. The purpose behind this hearing is to get input from the general public. If
anyone has something to say, please feel free to come forward and state it. After everyone has
gotten a chance to speak the Chairman will then close the public hearing. The Commission will
deliberate and then make a decision regarding their recommendation, one way or the other. The
decision that is made is typically read from a scripted set of statements that are given to the
Commission. It may sound rehearsed but it really is not. There is one motion for and one motion
against in the package, so that the Commission can make a motion either one way or the other so
it is very clear in the records.
Once again, I want to remind you that the Planning and Zoning Commission only acts in an
advisory capacity for the Board of County Commissioners. If you are not happy with the outcome
of this hearing you will have the opportunity to speak at the public hearing in front of the Board
of County Commissioners.
No other announcements or comments.
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AGENDA ITEM 1: January 17, 2002 MEETING MINUTES:
Mr. Lounds moved for approval. Motion seconded by Jones.
Upon a vote, the motion passed unanimously (with a vote of 7-0).
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AGENDA ITEM 2: BAKUL PATEL - FILE NO. RZ-02-003:
Cyndi Snay, presenting Staff comments, stated that Agenda Item # 2 was the application of Bakul
Patel, for a Change in Zoning from the AR-1 (Agricultural, Residential - 1 du/acre) Zoning
District to the RM-5 (Residential, Multiple-Family - 5 du/acre) Zoning District for property
located on the southwest corner of South Kings Highway and Research Center Road. The subject
property is designated with an RU (Residential, Urban) Land Use and under the Future Land Use
Element of the Comprehensive Plan the RU Land Use will allow a maximum density not to
exceed five (5) dwelling units per acre. Therefor
Comprehensive Plan. The subject property is surrounded to the north, south and west by AR-1
(Agricultural, Residential - 1 du/acre) and RS-2 (Residential, Single-Family - 2 du/acre) Zoning
and Industrial Light to the east. The proposed RM-5 Zoning District would be considered an
appropriate transitional zoning from the Industrial Light zoning to the east and the existing Kings
Highway, as well as future expansion of Kings Highway and to the west with the more rural
properties. The proposed additional density is not expected to create any significant additional
demands on the public facilities in the area.
Staff is recommending that you forward this petition to the Board of County Commissioners with
a recommendation of approval.
Chairman McCurdy asked the petitioner to come forward and state their name and address.
Harold Melville, Attorney at 2940 S. 25th Street in Fort Pierce stated that he represented the
petitioner. He continued that this parcel is approximately 25 acres that used to be an old citrus
grove that is no longer economically viable. The property is just west of Kings Highway and
immediately south of Research Center Road. Current zoning is AR-1 and they requested a
rezoning to RM-5 sin
comments that it is a good transitional zoning because to the east is the Light Industrial zoning
and a citrus packinghouse directly across Kings Highway from the subject property. He
continued that he felt the Kings Highway corridor is going to building up very rapidly with
industrial and commercial uses on the east side of the highway. He again stated that this is a good
transitional zoning because it maintains the residential character of the property and is a transition
between for the more intense commercial and industrial uses in the east and the
agricultural/residential uses to the west. He advised that as per the Staff report their request is
consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and the Land Development Code with no adverse effects
on the natural environment.
Mr. Trias asked if there was a site-plan or illustration available to show the type of project
proposed. Mr. Melville held up a board with a graphic of the proposed project, which will consist
of ninety-eight (98) dwelling units (approximately 3.94 du/acre). The project will be 1,500
square feet under air and each unit will be individually owned and not rental units. He continued
that these would be fee-simple ownership with each unit anticipated to sell in the range of
$90,000 to $115,000. Mr. Trias asked if the association would own the common areas. Mr.
including the lake areas.
Mr. Grande stated that this would be a 400% increase in density and questioned why the applicant
requested RM-5 Zoning as opposed to submitting a PUD (Planned Unit Development) request.
rocess and a tremendous risk and gamble.
The applicant chose the straight zoning request to propose something that would be allowable
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under the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Grande stated that they chose to save money in the initial
application fee but his concern is that the applicant is not tied into the plan that they have shown
this evening since this is not a PUD request. He continued that this project would be backing up
to one unit per acre properties and stated that he felt the applicant was hesitant to commit to a
design, plan or site plan at this time. Mr. Melville stated that a PUD would initially cost about
$25,000 to $30,000 in the county. He also advised that the land to the west also carries a RU
Land Use Designation and will not remain in their current AG-1 Zoning. He stated that he felt
the area would be developing very rapidly and due to the type of area would not be developed as
single family homes. He continued that this type of project and zoning would be appropriate for
the area.
Mr. Grande stated that the character of the area has not yet been defined and if we allow this type
of project, it will set a tone in the area. He continued that the proposed project would be a good
way to develop the property as a transition zone to the properties to the west. However, on the
other hand, he stated he was hesitant to allow such a change on twenty-five (25) acres of property
without the applicant being tied to a specific site plan as they would with a PUD request. He also
stated that the exp
with the current project if rezoned. He again advised that he is hesitant to vote for something
where the applicant is not tied to a specific site plan since such a large density increase would
impact the surrounding lands.
Mr. Melville agreed that the applicant probably would spend the same amount of the money in
the long run but the problem is that with a PUD you spend that money right up front before the
Board of County Commissioners ever hears it. He continued that most applicants who look at
he did not feel that type of imposition was appropriate. Under the existing laws this is an
allowable zoning category and a very appropriate zoning category in this land use designation.
He continued that what the applicant is proposing for layout and density is the only real practical
use for that land.
Mr. Grande stated that he d
job is to see to the orderly and logical development of the land. He continued that he felt that a
PUD request would give the Commission all of the necessary assurances to forward a
recommendation of approval. Mr. Melville stated that if that were the case, then there would be
no need for an RM-5 zoning category. The purpose of a PUD is to allow for creative type of
layouts or structures that would not fall within a standard zoning category and not to enforce a
particular type of design on someone asking for a zoning change.
Mr. Lounds stated that he would like to reserve his questions for Mr. Melville until after the
Public portion of the hearing has been closed.
Mr. Trias asked Staff what would be anticipated as a reasonable scenario for development of this
area. Mr. Kelly stated that there is light industrial along Kings Highway and a multi-family
environment as a transition to some lower density single-family homes farther to the west would
be appropriate especially with the University and Research Center in the area. Mr. Melville
stated that Staff made their recommendation based on the zoning category from a land use
concept and feel this is an appropriate zoning change request.
Chairman McCurdy opened the Public Hearing.
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Seeing no one, Chairman McCurdy closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. Grande stated that he did anticipate that there would not be any public response regarding
this petition since most of the area is undeveloped. He continued that he was hesitant to vote for
this request since the owner is reluctant to commit to a specific site plan since they did not come
in under a PUD request.
Mr. Lounds asked where the utilities for this property would come from. Mr. Melville explained
that he believed that since they may be adjacent to the city, their utilities would be provided by
the City of Fort Pierce. Mr. Lounds continued that he feels this is a good plan, but a bad location
for it since it is on King's Highway. He also stated that area has more industrial in place and will
most likely proceed that way. He stated that he didn't believe it was transitional between light
industrial and research at all. Mr. Melville stated that he felt this was the best use for the property
considering the circumstances and the area land use. Mr. Lounds disagreed.
Mr. Trias stated that this is the only type and best type of development, realistically, that is going
to be in the area but the county may want to consider looking at the future development of the
area. Mr. Jones stated that there may be a better use for the property, but the applicant's request
does meet all the requirements of law and doesn't see any reason to turn down this request. Mr.
Grande stated it would not be accurate to assume that just because Staff has not said it doesn't,
this meets every requirement of law. He continued that Section 11.06 of the Land Development
Code states that the job of the Planning and Zoning Commission is to make interpretations to see
if it is the right plan for the area and how it will impact the neighbors.
Mr. Lounds stated that he respected Mr. Trias' opinion, since he has a background as a
community planner, but he feels this, as well as, the duplexes behind the packing plant will be
misplaced in the area as it develops. He also continued that he felt the entire area of Kings
Highway is a growing concern of how the County is planning to develop it and needs to be
discussed further. Mr. Trias stated that in ten years they might not be happy with the way the
area is being residentially developed especially since the secondary streets in the area are almost
non-existent and that this may want to be something that needs to be reviewed. Mr. Jones stated
he too shared the concerns of the other Commission members about the future development of the
area. He continued that in the long run, this type of development probably won't be appropriate
for the area, but he doesn't feel that is relevant now, the future land use is.
Mr. Kelly stated that he just wanted it to be clear that the plan shown is not binding. If the
property is rezoned and another developer wants to design or develop something else that falls
within the RM-5 zoning he may. Mr. Lounds questioned if the developer decides to make the
units rentals rather than owned, he may? Mr. Kelly confirmed that is correct.
Mr. Melville stated that usually a PUD or PNRD is requested when someone wants to do
something different than the definition of a specified zoning category, which is not the case here.
He also stated he did not feel it was appropriate to suggest that the applicant should have
requested a PUD rather than a zoning change because what they are planning does fall within the
definitions of the RM-5 zoning code. Mr. Jones asked if the applicant or Mr. Melville discussed
a change in land use when they met with Staff. Mr. Melville explained that they did not discuss
that. Mr. Grande stated that he felt that this 25-acre property could end up becoming the anchor
and the future development of the area will be determined by tonight's decision of the
Commission.
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Mr. Lounds asked Mr. Melville if the client would have been willing to commit to their plan
under a PUD. Mr. Melville stated that the client is willing to commit to the plan under the RM-5
zoning. He continued that the client would not want to have to invest more time and money to
come back before the Commission again as a PUD. Mr. Grande stated again that he would feel
more comfortable if this was a PUD request where the applicant is required to commit to a
specific site plan and since this is not that type of request he is hesitant due to the size of the
parcel and the density increase.
Mr. Grande stated that after considering the testimony presented during the Public
Hearing, including staff comments, and the Standards of Review as set forth in Section
11.06.03, St. Lucie County Land Development Code, I hereby move that the Planning and
Zoning Commission recommend that the St. Lucie County Board of County Commissioners
deny the application of Bakul Patel, for a Change in Zoning from the AR-1 (Agricultural,
Residential - 1 du/acre) Zoning District to the RM-5 (Residential, Multiple-Family - 5
du/acre) Zoning District because it is inconsistent with Section H of 11.06.03 which calls for
an orderly and logical development plan.
Motion seconded by Mr. Lounds.
Upon a roll call vote the motion failed with a vote of 2-4 (Mr. Trias, Mr. Akins, Mr. Jones
and Mr. McCurdy voting against).
Mr. Jones stated that after considering the testimony presented during the Public Hearing,
including staff comments, and the Standards of Review as set forth in Section 11.06.03, St.
Lucie County Land Development Code, I hereby move that the Planning and Zoning
Commission recommend that the St. Lucie County Board of County Commissioners grant
approval to the application of Bakul Patel, for a Change in Zoning from the AR-1
(Agricultural, Residential - 1 du/acre) Zoning District to the RM-5 (Residential, Family-
Family - 5 du/acre) Zoning District because it is an allowed use in the current land use
designation.
Motion seconded by Mr. Akins.
Upon a roll call vote the motion was approved with a vote of 4-2 (Mr. Lounds and Mr.
Grande voting against) and forwarded to the Board of County Commissioners with a
recommendation of approval.
Mr. Jones stated that he would suggest that the landowner consider the long-term value of the
property in another land use. Mr. Akins stated that he supported the motion for approval but he
does agree with Mr. Lounds, Mr. Grande and Mr. Trias that may want to consider beginning a
discussion to resolve the hodgepodge that is occurring in the County. He continued that he felt
this needed to be done soon because Kings Highway is growing and will not remain Agricultural.
Mr. Trias stated that the best way for these issues to be reviewed is to address the County
Commission with them. Mr. Kelly stated that it seemed to him that the consensus is that the
Commission members would like Staff and the County Commission to review that area
specifically. Mr. Lounds asked Mr. Kelly if Staff needed a formal request from the Commission
for the Kings Highway Corridor, from Okeechobee Road north to Indrio Road issues to be
addressed. Mr. Kelly confirmed that it would be best to be formally addressed in the meeting
minutes for further review by the County Commission.
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Mr. Lounds made a motion to address the issues regarding land use in areas surrounding
and along Kings Highway Corridor and possibly the support roads (Rock Road, Graham
Road, Picos Road) all the way to Indrio Road. He continued that the pattern from Indrio
Road to U.S. 1 is pretty well set from that area on, but from Indrio to Okeechobee Road
needs to be studied by Staff (with the City in mind).
Motion seconded by Mr. Grande.
Upon a vote, the motion passed unanimously with a vote of 6-0.
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AGENDA ITEM 3: CHARLES D. VELIE - FILE NO. RZ-02-004
Cyndi Snay, presenting Staff comments, stated that Agenda Item # 3 was the application of
Charles Velie, for a Change in Zoning from the AG-5 (Agricultural - 1 du/acre) Zoning District to
the RF (Religious, Facilities) Zoning District for property located at 180 North Header Canal
Road. Since 1947, the property has been utilized as a church. At the time when the County
underwent the adoption of the Comprehensive Plan and Rezoning, the subject property became a
nonconforming use on record that was grandfathered in. At this point, the applicant submitted a
building permit to enlarge the church and was advised they could not expand on an existing
nonconforming use. The applicant was then referred to the Planning Department. At that time,
they had requested Institutional Zoning, but Staff recommended that the property be rezoned to
RF (Religious Facilities) to be more appropriate to the area.
Staff has reviewed this petition and determined that it conforms to the standards of review as set
forth in the Land Development Code and is not in conflict with the Comprehensive Plan. Staff is
recommending that you forward this petition to the Board of County Commissioners with a
recommendation of approval, which is more in keeping with the surrounding areas, eliminating
the nonconforming use issue and would not impact future expansion of the church.
Mr. Tom Velie stated that he is co-owner with Mr. Charles Velie and also the Pastor of the
existing church. He continued that his father pastored that church in 1979 and he has been co-
pastoring since 1984. He stated that their current auditorium is 44x39 feet and they had hoped to
add onto it to allow for a higher occupancy. Mr. Lounds asked how many acres or how large of
an expansion are they looking at. Mr. Velie stated they anticipated doubling the size of the
auditorium and then expand the size of the pulpit area to allow for extra seating in case needed.
The current standard capacity is acceptable, but if they have a revival or a homecoming or
holiday, it is packed to the walls. Mr. Lounds asked if they owned the entire parcel surrounding
the church's area. Mr. Velie explained they only own a little more than 3/4 of an acre of the
property. He continued that Bob Grant and Mr. Eplin own the land north of their property and
they have signed statements that they have no problem with the rezoning. This has been a church
since 1947; they have a tax-exempt status and recognition from the state and have been there the
entire time. Mr. Kelly explained that only the crosshatched area on the maps belongs to the
Velie's.
Chairman Matthes opened the Public Hearing.
Seeing no one, Chairman Matthes closed the Public Hearing.
Mr. McCurdy stated that after considering the testimony presented during the Public
Hearing, including staff comments, and the Standards of Review as set forth in Section
11.06.03, St. Lucie County Land Development Code, I hereby move that the Planning and
Zoning Commission recommend that the St. Lucie County Board of County Commissioners
grant approval to the application of Charles Velie, for a Change in Zoning from the AG-5
(Agricultural - 1 du/5 acres) Zoning District to the RF (Religious Facilities) Zoning District
because that has been the use since the mid to late 40's. It seems to be a good use and the
church seems to be prospering.
Motion seconded by Mr. Grande.
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Upon a roll call vote the motion passed unanimously (with a vote of 7-0) and forwarded to
the Board of County Commissioners with a recommendation of approval.
Mr. Lounds stated that the Velie's might want to research the history of the property to see if the
Historical Society may be able to assist them in recognizing the fact that was a trading post at one
point in time.
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OTHER BUSINESS/DISCUSSION:
Mr. Lounds asked Staff if they understood that how the Commission Members unanimously felt
about King's Highway. Mr. Kelly advised that he was aware.
Next scheduled meeting will be April 18, 2002. Mr. McCurdy advised that he would not be able
to attend that meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion to adjourn made by Mr. Lounds and seconded by Mr. McCurdy. Meeting was adjourned
at 8:05 p.m.
Respectfully submitted: Approved by:
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Dawn Gilmore, Secretary Stefan Matthes, Chairman
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